Warfare & Tactics

I mean Christ. I remember when we were able to sit down and have a pretty decent conversation about mechanics, issues, fights, what-have-you without descending to some base level of "you suck, no you suck". It's a giant negative-feedback circlejerk that is unproductive and inefficient.

Personally, I've always had a lot of respect for most of the old-guard Amarr who have always been pretty reasonable and logical (besides some of the obvious nut-cases and trolls [of which there are some from all sides]), but a lot of these new guys seem to just want to pick a fight or make accusations or cry without knowing any of the history of FW. The system used to be ******* ****; now at least we're getting some love and facetime from CCP who I think have done a pretty decent job with Inferno and hoping to fix Inferno's problems with FF and Retribution.

Yeah, the rhetoric is pretty awful. But honestly, there are only a dozen people on any one side who complain on the forums about this stuff. That's not bad considering there are thousands of people in each militia. So that's not even 1%. I've talked privately with a couple of Caldari and they enjoy the new patch as well. Forum warfare was always just for lolz anyway. No one here takes the forum warrioring that seriously....or at least they shouldn't.

FW people really don't know how great they have it relative to lowsec piracy or nullsec. Many are just ungrateful and suffer from tunnel vision.

I remember the few months leading up to Inferno in Gal/Cal space. You couldn't find wartargets who were in BCs or higher. All the squids were in cruisers and below. So many Gallente pilots would go gank the poor bastards for even daring to roam our chokepoints and because there was nothing else to fight. And if there was intel of a squid BC gang (usually Bolsterbomb's and the THE4 guys), we all thought it was one major troll because all squids did was fly cruisers and below.

Heck, I remember nights when Gallente could camp every major chokepoint from Heyd up to Vlill w/o fear or repercussion. And now, everyone is spread out, we're all rich beyond imagination, and loads of WTs from frigs to T2 ships are found roaming. But yet, FW people still manage to complain and whine about something.

Thanks CCP- I love the new patch !

The new FW mechanics and the fixes is what has brought me back to it.

Loving it so far and can only see it getting better.

I still pirate from time to time as I enjoy the hunt and the unsuspecting kill/ransom but it is more of a hobby for me now.

Absolutely. It was great (for what it was) for maybe the 1-2 years following it's release and then it kind of stagnated into bored and bitter vets. Inferno has been great for all sides.

Did you play FW before Inferno? If so, did you like the FW system then? Not trying to be snide, but this is pretty much how it was before that patch if I remember correctly.

I would much prefer it to go back to inferno or pre inferno.

I hate that every isk I make from occupancy will put 2 isk in my enemies coffer after as soon as I leave.

But the minmatar complained that they were being punished for winning with inferno so ccp had to make sure the rules were even more lopsided in their favor.

Apparently not.

Amarr probably could have hit tier 5 cashouts if we worked at it under inferno and that would have given us an equal footing. To the extent we could not hit tier five Hans and ccp had the option to tweak it to help the underdog. For example they could have given fewer vp for d-plexing. This and other solutions were presented in the I hub features and ideas threads. These recomendations were ignored.

Instead they went in the opposite direction and actually removed all the balancing mechanics that help the underdog.

Tier 2 is not as much as even tier 4 that amarr could easilly hit.

Its true minmatar now make less, but the problem with this system is there is no balance once the snowballing starts.

Yay we are at tier 2! Minmatar are at tier 4. Why would people choose amarr when they can make 150% more for the same activity by joining minmatar.

This was the big F you. Hans may claim he didn't want this balance removed but he was cheerleading these changes.

That's what I was getting at. The line I quoted struck me as contrary to what I remember every other FW player saying before Inferno.

I'm not currently involved in FW so I'm not weighing in on how the new system affects faction balance, but I figured I should point out that the e-peen system has been proven to be boring as hell for everyone involved.

Poetic, I'm actually not sure if I could possibly disagree more. PVP should not be an ISK earning activity, other than the incidental income from drops. PVP is in all essence an ISK sink on the market, and that is what makes it special in Eve.

In Eve, PVP means you are engaging in a real risk, the stakes being your investment in time. If I'm PVPing, the real consequences of my actions are that I can lose a ship that I had to EARN, not one that was given to me. This is why, 3 years and 900ish kills into Eve, my hands will still shake going into a big fight. If I know that the drake on the line represents 2 hours of boring as hell PVE, I'm that much more engaged and invested in the activity.

PVP should not be self sustaining. Actually, I think the new system, where the PVE contains the inherent potential for PVP, is a really nice compromise and balance. The tension of factoring in the DPS of the rats also makes for an interesting scenario, and can help with an asymmetric engagement.