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i will alert ccp art department so they can make a login banner of jorma being caught lying

You have no idea how I drive.

Since there's little to no local manufacturing, there's little to no demand for it. You're much better off mining scordite in hisec.


Because CCP aren't listening, they're too busy going full speed ahead towards trammel.


No serious idea is anywhere near trying to "push" hisec guys into null, serious ideas are all about enticing.

it's like it's 2008 all over again

I apologize, my hands don't always type what I want them. I have a nerve problem.

is not isn't.

But you were complaining and I thought that would be the best solution. Now you don't want it?

How did Goons become the establishment anyway?

Disclaimer: hands are really bad, can't fix all these errors.


I don't think this.
The ores in null aren't going to entice anyone to go mine in null. I'm not going to say it's not worth it, I think it is when done right.

We do mine them. I don't use high sec ores, I use ore mined out of null sec. Unless someone is importing higher priced ores down from high sec to sell at a considerable loss in null.

I wouldn't expect anyone to go anywhere to mine. If people want to destroy braincells mine that's fine, some people enjoying doing things to themselves that many other would consider abuse.




I've also never said manufacturing was lacking.

Null players, and our representatives have been asking for improvements. People are talking about it, it's been a part of several conversations here for some time. Do I think it should take priority over things that EVERYONE can benefit from, no I don't.

I'm not saying it's high sec "players" fault. You'll find posts I've made stating that I thing the right buffs to high would benefit null the way I'd like. High sec players think what I would consider a buff to be a nerf. I want your prices to go up, one way to do that is to reduce mineral output in high significantly to effect the market. I've also conceded that that's probably not the best thing to do first, and that there are other things, like drastic increases to manufacturing costs in NPC stations in high, that would be better.

It's "high sec's" fault, not high sec players.


I don't advocate pushing anyone anywhere. If you don't want to play in null you shouldn't have to.

On the flip side of this. I have to play in high. I HAVE TO; I can't not. I can not get certian things I need to build T2 items in null, I have to get them in high sec. I have a Jita alt for a reason, and I assure it's not for the enlightening conversation in Jita local.

Yes, you should care. It's your game too. Null should be an OPTION for you to play in. Especially if you're an industrialist; which is what I'm prety consistant about saying. PvP doesn't effect me any more than most people in high, but that's entirely based on the alliance you would be in. If space is defended, and you can move around to get what you need from other stations in your area, it's really no worse danger wise than it is in high. I've been blown up like twice in about a years time; both time in empty ships I believe. It's not exactly scary where I am.

But why would you?
What's the incentive?

The point?



It's not to make more isk, you can make more in high sec selling in bulk at really slim profit margins; so why do it here? That's my problem.

This is MY playstyle. My playstyle doesn't involve shooting you. It's not bumping you. It's not preventing you from doing anything.

You guys love to talk about "being forced" and protecting your playstyle.

In all honesty. I'm very like the only person here whos entire playstyle has an entire area of the game dictating how I can play. MY playstyle, that is an a fulltime industrualist who lives in null, is the only one that has the RIGHT TO SAY you're ******* with my playstyle.

You don't go to null.
Null sec itself isn't impacting you in high sec. Ganking, bumping, can flipping, none of these things force anyone to have to do anything because it's intended. But high sec literally dictates my gameplay.

I don't have a jita alt because I want one, she's there because I need someone in high sec at all times. I can't go back forth every single day, multiple times a day.

I had to STOP doing other things with my alt when my market orders and production level reached a certian point.

So tell me, how many of you high sec guys bitching about having play styles forced on them have alts in null so that they can do what they do in high?

I can't sell **** slightly over production cost, I need bigger profit margins and your crap ends up in my market selling at really low profit margins. That impacts me; I'm not driving your costs down, and moongoo prices and such are not the same thing.

Imagine a system were for every level 4 mission done in null sec a level 4 mission in high sec is removed.

Pretty sure that was his point, geniuse.

You're fighting the 'Mineralz iz free' or "Don't know the value of something" crowd. I feel your pain. They're why I stopped manufacturing yrs ago and started buying their cheap goods. I learned that lesson the hard way with T2 mining crystals selling for less than the markets average material costs. I scratched the 'Invent' step, changed 'manufacture' to 'purchase' and moved on. I made more ISK for less work that way. I also reprocessed about 300 Punishers once from a couple young entrepreneurs and made about 10mil just dumping the minerals. Opportunity knocked...

I can also feel your pain playing 0.01ISK wars in Jita. You have more patience and dedication to this game than I could ever muster up any more.