Ships & Modules

After thinking a bit more about it, it occurs to me that since all courier packages are plastic wrapped and plastic wrap is freight container, then all courier packages should drop and drop as one. At least, that seems logical.

have you considered that with the new dps (well now old since out a while) of tier 3 bc's was actually considered? CCP knew in testing what tier 3 BC's would be used for. As did the player base day one their stats were seen and they picked them up on sisi to play with.

Its in fact why I believe they were put in game for. High dps, crap tank to sponsor small sub BS gang ops but not be op as they can be killed since not exactly drake or BS tanky. Small ops that hit hard fleets came back in style but glass cannons. Ideal gank rides basically


And quite frankly it was also probably meant as a checks and balance for freighters in empire.

Before tier 3's you had your hay days of the freighters. To pop em you needed your sleazy suicide gank bs fits. Problem: costly so for many hard to justify the gank. So there they were...all them freighters that even those ballsy (or dumb) enough to fly an officer fitting not double wrapped flying uncontested as the cargo did not cover losing 8 gank pests. Very low risk lifestyle here by and large.

Enter the tier 3's. On average we'll say 50 mil cheaper fit to start than a suicide gank BS' (tier 2 pricing for BS, most tier 1's are meh). 8 of these bad boys. 8 people who know they will be concorded. But.....that gank fleet is now approx. 400 mil cheaper to run than gank BS'. hence more ganking.

This increased ganking imo was by design. Checks and balance against the lazy or afk haulers common in the past.

Enough freighter pilots are not dying daily. Your chance of a ship redo is gonna be real small until the day you see more freighters dead than BS's daily in empire. And this would be universe wide. CCP ,rightly so, is not gonna go knee jerk reaction to 20 dead charons in niarja. Some gates in that system are usually camped hard....you get about as much pity for dying there as a noob jumping into ec- from torrinos and learns real quick jsut how cold 0.0 can be 1 little ole gate jump from empire.

I don't think immunity to scanning was the goal. I'm betting it has to do with how the code works for scanning. It recognizes there's a can in the ship and it can report the results easily. However, double wrapping involves the courier contract mechanism and, I'm pretty sure, it's the only possible way to have a container inside another container. The scan code recognizes there's a can, but can only report the contents as "another can." It doesn't know how (or hasn't been told) to report the contents of the second can. If they really do turn over contraband scanning over to players (as they've said they will), they'll have to solve that problem or no one will ever get caught smuggling.

double-wrap are not a garanteed drop.

goons make it a point since they started to gank to gank those double-wrap, so we stoped doing that. (we lost a couple a trit load that way...)

50% drop of **** will still have its worth

I believe that every item (or stack?) still have like 50% to be dropped.
What you *maybe* can achieve with this is throwing a ton of information noise in the face of scanner, so maybe he'll overlook something. I wouldn't rely on that though, remember that freighter that was downed with like 15-20 bil in meta trash?

I would say they did. They removed insurance from ganks at the same time as adding Tiers 3's making a Tier 3 cost about as much as a Battleship then used to cost.

People scape goat Tier 3's a lot when it comes to ganking when nothing has really changed. Tempest used to cost 70-80 Mil ISK and you got most of that back.

Freighters are perfectly balanced, you control your own risk and reward and they can do the job they were intended, hauling large volumes, very well. Haul a bunch of high value stuff and you get maximum reward with maximum risk. Haul a bunch of low value stuff and you get minimum reward with minimum risk. You provide no proof of "dps has increased quite a lot," how about trying to back up your claim.

You are rewarded with fully skilling your racial freighter with extra cargo. You know the stats this ship sacrifice everything to get more of.

this is also false.

each item has it's own 50% chance of dropping.

and also, even if you fill your hold with crap, they use tools to know in about 2 seconds if you are worth ganking.