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Money to lend to MD pilots for your IPO [up to 10b isk] - RothLoans

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Edwin Rothbard
Interstellar Arbitrage
#1 - 2011-10-18 22:38:43 UTC
Rothbard's Loans


Do you need some cash to get you through next payday? Are you asset rich but cash poor? If so Roth Loans can help!

Get immediate funding for loans up to 10b isk.

How It Works:
Roth Loans will lend up to 75% market value (75% LTV) of your high-sec items. Contact Edwin Rothbard with the amount, duration, and collateral for your loan. After accepting terms you can contract your items to Edwin Rothbard for the agreed upon loan amount. Your collateral must be located in a contiguous highsec system from jita.*

I will then immediately contract your items back to you from the same location for the agreed loan duration with a price of the principal + interest. You can redeem your items whenever you are ready to repay the loan! You can rollover your loan as long as you repay the interest on the current loan.

I offer loan maturities from 1 day to 2 weeks. If you need a loan for a longer period of time you can roll over the loan every two weeks as long as you stay current on your interest payments. Here's are the current offered loan rates:

1 day: 1%
3 days: 2%
1 week: 3%
2 weeks: 5%

If you need a loan longer than 2 weeks you will need to make an interest payment once every 2 weeks. I will then re-contract your items to you for the new loan period.

FAQ:
Are you going to steal my stuff?
No. I handle billions in isk transactions daily for customers at www.rothbards.com casino. To date i've transacted more than one-half trillion isk. My business operations are built on very strong trust with my customers.

What are you using as a price guide for valuing collateral?
I use jita market prices. For bpos i use NPC price (note NPC prices are the market sell orders that are 365 days in length).

Will you accept my low sec/null sec/w-space collateral?
No. Retrieving assets on failed loans is logistically challenging in low/null/w-space.*

Will you accept my supercap as collateral?
No. They require babysitters which makes them a logistical nightmare.

How do you value fitted and rigged ships?
I value the value of the ship as the jita price on the hull + the modules. I always value the rigs at zero as the ships are often very difficult to sell rigged. Plus many ships end up with undesirable rigging which would need to be destroyed in the case of a loan default.

How do you value my researched BPOs?
I value them at NPC price regardless of research. Many prints are difficult to sell at npc price even with considerable research on them.

Why are you trying to lowball me so much on my collateral valuations?
I want to make sure you payoff your loan. I don't want to own your stuff. Undervaluing the collateral helps encourage borrowers to make good on their loan obligations. If the borrow defaults, it also makes liquidating their collateral easier.

Will you accept my limited edition ship or T2 BPO as collateral?
Yes, but except low valuations on both. The loan amount offered on your limited-edition ships and/or T2 BPOs will be low enough that you will want to be sure that you do not default on your loan. Again I don't want to own your stuff. I want to ensure you make good on your loan commitment.

How fast can I get my money?
You can often get your loan funding in under 1 hour when i'm online. Send me a convo or an eve mail in game. The more detailed your loan request and collateral offerings the faster I can process your loan application.

Can't a just contract my stuff to you without contacting you first?
No. If you contract items to me unsolicited your contract will be rejected. Please contact me first and be sure we have agreed to terms before contracting your items to me.

What happens if I fail to accept my contract before it expires?
You will be in default. Once in default I reserve the right to liquidate your collateral to recover my loan losses. I understand that things happen and that you might not be able to log in and accept your contract before it expires. At my discretion I will hold your items for a short period of time after the loan defaults. Note that this is a courtesy and that you should not expect me to hold onto your stuff if you default. Please get in touch with me ASAP if your contract expires (or is about ot expire) and you wish to bring your loan current and redeem your stuff.

If you have other questions please reply here or contact me in game! I'm online a lot. You can send me an eve mail or a convo in game.

*The one exception is for carriers and dreadnaughts. I will accept those as loan collateral provided they are in a low sec (read: NOT null sec) system that is adjacent to highsec. If the carrier/dread is 2 or more jumps into low sec I will not accept it as collateral. I will not accept any other items outside of highsec as collateral.
egola
NSFW federation
#2 - 2011-10-18 22:46:11 UTC
bumped, hows the casino doing? i see your well on your way towards MD isk arbitrage
Japagun
Kate Enterprises
#3 - 2011-10-18 23:49:54 UTC
If you are making so much money at the casino, why bother with this.

It seems like uneccesary hassle when you could be promoting your casino.






Or are there problems at the casino? Not quite as profitable as things appear?





Edwin Rothbard
Interstellar Arbitrage
#4 - 2011-10-19 00:38:58 UTC
Japagun wrote:
If you are making so much money at the casino, why bother with this.


L2Capitalism

The goal of a capitalist is to use his money to make more money. Hundreds of billions in isk doesn't do me any good when it just sits in my wallet. Stop thinking like a prole.

Roll

Countesss
Doomheim
#5 - 2011-10-19 03:01:56 UTC
L2setaproperinterestrate.

Why would anybody agree to pay your crazy interest rates when they can get much lower rates from half of the MD crowd?
Legitimate question.

Oh and IPO really lol? Do you even read these forums? I'f you actually did any research.. You'd see why your interest rate is insane for a collateralized loan and that nobody really does IPO's anymore, welcome to the "Bond" forum.

So L2usebrainbeforeopenmouthwithinternetL2ok?
Edwin Rothbard
Interstellar Arbitrage
#6 - 2011-10-19 04:43:37 UTC
Countesss wrote:
Why would anybody agree to pay your crazy interest rates when they can get much lower rates from half of the MD crowd?
Legitimate question.

u mad bro?

I have no problem originating loans. I have lots of happy customers.

Eve represents quintessential example of a free market yet you only want to complain about the lack of competition instead of competing. Unlike real life there are no government imposed barriers to entry keeping you from loaning isk. You can offer higher LTVs and lower interest rates.

PS thanks for posting in my thread as you ensure that it stays at the top of the MD forum.
Chevalleis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2011-10-19 11:52:15 UTC
Do you reserve the right to decline collateral that's otherwise legitimate but sells in low quantities?
RAW23
#8 - 2011-10-19 12:26:24 UTC
Countesss wrote:


Why would anybody agree to pay your crazy interest rates when they can get much lower rates from half of the MD crowd?
Legitimate question.



He is just transferring the lessons learned from the casino to the loans market, the main lesson being that there are plenty of people stupid or lazy enough to throw money away when they don't need to.

Edwin clearly know his base and continues to cater to them Blink

There are two types of EVE player:

those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.

Countesss
Doomheim
#9 - 2011-10-19 15:05:16 UTC
Edwin Rothbard wrote:
u mad bro?

Lol what do I have to be mad over? Nice comeback btw, very internet professional.

Edwin Rothbard wrote:

I have no problem originating loans. I have lots of happy customers.


I'm sure you do have a few happy customers, but you'll never fully utilize that amount of isk without loads of work because of the sheer number of customers you'll have to deal with to loan that amount out. Any large loan customer types would just look your operation over because of the crazy rates. Even you should be able to connect those dots together. The work vs reward for this operation will always be garbage. Take the advice like a man, instead of throwing around internet tantrum lol u mad bros.

Edwin Rothbard wrote:
Eve represents quintessential example of a free market yet you only want to complain about the lack of competition instead of competing. Unlike real life there are no government imposed barriers to entry keeping you from loaning isk. You can offer higher LTVs and lower interest rates.

Thanks for that mind blowing insight doctor Phil. But I'm not into the loan business. But now that you are trying to enter it perhaps you should look up the defenition of an IPO. Also do a little scan of the last 10 pages or so and look around for all the IPO's.


Edwin Rothbard wrote:
PS thanks for posting in my thread as you ensure that it stays at the top of the MD forum.

You're welcome, you'll need the help.
Countesss
Doomheim
#10 - 2011-10-19 15:22:13 UTC
RAW23 wrote:

He is just transferring the lessons learned from the casino to the loans market, the main lesson being that there are plenty of people stupid or lazy enough to throw money away when they don't need to.

Edwin clearly know his base and continues to cater to them Blink


I don't doubt peoples stupidity, I really don't. What I was pointing out was his rates are not going to help him utilize all his liquid because anybody with half a brain borrowing a decent chunk of change will go elsewwhere to get rates at 1/3 of roth's rates. So instead what roth is attracting is a bunch of low amount high interest loans. So loads of customers for decent returns in comparrison to the amoutn, with I'm sure load of idle isk not being used because he won't find large loans with those rates.

What Roth doesn't seem to be thinking of isk work vs reward. Make a single loan for 100b at 5% get 5b in a month, or make 20 loans for 1b@ 25%. Same profit, just 10 times the work.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#11 - 2011-10-19 16:24:47 UTC
gROTHmore?

ROTHbard?

Hmm.
Chevalleis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2011-10-19 16:28:03 UTC
Iz obviuz!
Nerdy McButtHurt Trald
Doomheim
#13 - 2011-10-19 17:54:05 UTC
So many people think the loan market is large, when in fact it's quite small( personal loans).

Also for someone so rich why limit to 10B? Easier admin for larger loans.

What interest would you give to me backed with 75B in PI material, and total loan amount?
Gatan Hahran
Brukterer
#14 - 2011-10-19 23:23:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Gatan Hahran
Countesss wrote:

I'm sure you do have a few happy customers, but you'll never fully utilize that amount of isk without loads of work because of the sheer number of customers you'll have to deal with to loan that amount out.


I guess you have not chatted with Edwin yet. He has a very different approach to value eve time and work. He collected close to 50.000 (!) militants in the last few months for example. Yes this is correct, he buys like 10 militants in some remote station, and gets them to the big pile of other militants!
On a side note im currently unaware of other loan services that loan below 1%, but there could be lot of them, have not read MD active for some time now.

Oh and no, im not his customer, i have more ISK than Joe Pesci.
BornToDieAnotherDay
Tarazed Technology
#15 - 2011-10-19 23:27:47 UTC
Gatan Hahran wrote:

On a side note im currently unaware of other loan services that loan below 1%, but there could be lot of them, have not read MD active for some time now.



On a side note, 1%/day approx. = 30%/month, which is almost double the highest interest rates that some unollcat. bonds have to pay.

Derp.
Countesss
Doomheim
#16 - 2011-10-19 23:43:33 UTC
Gatan Hahran wrote:

I guess you have not chatted with Edwin yet. He has a very different approach to value eve time and work. He collected close to 50.000 (!) militants in the last few months for example. Yes this is correct, he buys like 10 militants in some remote station, and gets them to the big pile of other militants!.


Well I'm glad you hit the nail on the head. That's exactly what this topic needed, more useless.

Gatan Hahran wrote:

On a side note im currently unaware of other loan services that loan below 1%, but there could be lot of them, have not read MD active for some time now.


Well looks like you've never read MDLol

Gatan Hahran
Brukterer
#17 - 2011-10-20 10:00:01 UTC
BornToDieAnotherDay wrote:
Gatan Hahran wrote:

On a side note im currently unaware of other loan services that loan below 1%, but there could be lot of them, have not read MD active for some time now.



On a side note, 1%/day approx. = 30%/month, which is almost double the highest interest rates that some unollcat. bonds have to pay.

Derp.


i talk about interest if u need a loan for 1 day or just a few hours, not for 30 days.
You may have noticed that the number 30 is missing in my posting,
Derp.
Gatan Hahran
Brukterer
#18 - 2011-10-20 10:07:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Gatan Hahran
Countesss wrote:
That's exactly what this topic needed, more useless.

Thanks for providing some of it with your postings.

Countesss wrote:
Well looks like you've never read MDLol
Oh you got me here.
I write down random troll postings and throw some "i will invest" in the mix for variance. When i see a new topic i load up a RNG, let him generate a number and a prepared posting is pulled from my database. I then copy and paste it and press the POST button. I was really lucky with all my investments so far!