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Anslo
Scope Works
#81 - 2012-10-31 14:42:02 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Adding to the bounty pool on this disgusting carebear. We can make sure it's worthwhile for people to suicide gank you again and again.


I'm kind of sure targeted suicide ganking too many times is against the rules and counted as griefing...

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Robert De'Arneth
#82 - 2012-10-31 14:42:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Robert De'Arneth
TheGunslinger42 , You make some bad assumptions, one that i would let you collect, not as easy you think. Assuming I care about losing ISK to feed the bounty to corp mates. See, you just do not get that I will not allow you to bug me. You can add billions and billions, and every isk will go to a corp member. I can afford to use frigs for this, and have no isssue wasting time. I will never allow anyone to bother me. Try and find someone who will let you. Besides, this account is not my money maker, you would have to find my accounts that are, and lets be clear, you have no way to do that at all.
Big smile So in the end I will still make ISK and do what I want. LOL, makes you mad right nerd rage?

I'm a nerd, you can check my stats!! Skilling Int/Mem at 45 sp per minute is how I mack!     I'm like a lapdog, all bark no bite. 
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#83 - 2012-10-31 14:53:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Riot Girl
You act as though your playstyle is superior because you create some arbitrary moral code for yourself; "They are playing stupidly in low-sec, therefore they are flagged for PvP and deserve to die". This is how you choose to play and to you, this is morally sound.

Now you speak to high sec gankers whose morals are "They are playing stupidly in high-sec, therefore they are flagged for PvP and deserve to die". So what is the difference between these ideologies, other than some imagined moral code you have created for yourself?

I'll address this here, because I already know your answer; "My way is superior, because when people enter low-sec, they can expect to be forced into PvP. They know the risks and they deserve to die for not taking precautions. People in high-sec do not want to be forced into PvP, therefore it is morally wrong to engage them".

Well your line of thinking is wrong. High-sec players are flagged for PvP the moment they leave their training systems. They knew the risks and they accepted them. Saying they do not wish to engage in PvP is simply wrong. They knew they would be targets for PvP when they signed up and they did it anyway of their own free will. Every carebear in high-sec wants to engage in PvP, even if they claim they don't. No-one forced them to sign up to make themselves an open target for PvP, they did that to themselves.

Now I have explained that, I will request you change your stance on this matter.

Oh god.
Metal Icarus
Star Frontiers
Brotherhood of Spacers
#84 - 2012-10-31 15:02:05 UTC
well maybe if PVE pilots werent such juicy targets....

I mean, extremely juicy.

like faction fit, officer fit etc.. Not to mention implants.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#85 - 2012-10-31 15:22:57 UTC
Anslo wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Adding to the bounty pool on this disgusting carebear. We can make sure it's worthwhile for people to suicide gank you again and again.


I'm kind of sure targeted suicide ganking too many times is against the rules and counted as griefing...

If it is done for no valid in game reason, yes.

However, if you have a juicy bounty on your head that constitutes a valid in game reason.

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TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#86 - 2012-10-31 15:30:36 UTC
Anslo wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Adding to the bounty pool on this disgusting carebear. We can make sure it's worthwhile for people to suicide gank you again and again.


I'm kind of sure targeted suicide ganking too many times is against the rules and counted as griefing...


Not if it's done because of the new bounty system. It's always a bloo bloo griefing this griefing that with some people, gosh!
Robert De'Arneth
#87 - 2012-10-31 15:37:39 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Anslo wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Adding to the bounty pool on this disgusting carebear. We can make sure it's worthwhile for people to suicide gank you again and again.


I'm kind of sure targeted suicide ganking too many times is against the rules and counted as griefing...


Not if it's done because of the new bounty system. It's always a bloo bloo griefing this griefing that with some people, gosh!



Well bring on the bounties, my new corp mates can use the ISK. I enjoy helping the newer people out. Or I could just let the bounties grow and enjoy the waste of your isk while sitting in station skilling this guy up. Might do that, because it will make nerd ragers like you more upset. At the end of the day, it will still be me who decides who collects it. Big smile

I'm a nerd, you can check my stats!! Skilling Int/Mem at 45 sp per minute is how I mack!     I'm like a lapdog, all bark no bite. 
Lilly Tiger
Megalith Heavy Industries
#88 - 2012-10-31 15:51:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Lilly Tiger
quotes like these annoy me:
KrakizBad wrote:
Another alt opinion pro-carebear. What a shocker.


Ptraci wrote:
For a PvP pilot of 9 years, you sure have a nonexistant kill-board. Oh wait, I'm wasting time talking to an alt.


I agree with most of his points (here too) actually. I'm not posting from an alt..

So now that we have the REALLY STUPID "you post with an alt so you argument has no value" / "you dont have good killboard stats so your argument has no value" **** out of the way, can we perhaps discuss the actual topic in this discussion forum?

Sorry, i just get soooo annoyed at people that try desperately to cling on to anything that isnt the actual topic to derail it.

Why do you disagree with his points (since you apparently do)? Or is that too much on topic for you..
flakeys
Doomheim
#89 - 2012-10-31 15:54:45 UTC
Roll For someone who asks for a thread to be closed if it doesn't go the way he likes you sure know what topic's to choose OP .

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Lilly Tiger
Megalith Heavy Industries
#90 - 2012-10-31 16:00:16 UTC
Some Rando wrote:
White Quake wrote:
HOWEVER to gank people in empire, is cowardly and not real pvp.

Sigh. I hate to point this out but it technically is real PvP because both parties are players and, you know, Player versus Player and all that...

Unless one of them isn't a player... Shocked


You got a good point there, It is PVP.. and some hisec carebears need to learn to accept that. The hate goes both ways it seems, "elite PVPers" hating on the hisec PVE players, and "carebear hisec" players hating on the "evil PVPers".

Thing is. If its ok to kill hisec people for fun from a PVP perspective, and their tears are just added fun, why the hell is it NOT ok for PVE focused players to stay away from PVP-centric areas if they dont want to PVP?

As a PVPer YOU get the choice of bringing the pain to hisec (limited as it might be) why shouldn't PVEers get the option of NOT wanting to go to lowsec/nullsec to seek out more of the gameplay they dont want?


on the PVP part: I'd like more PvB to happen in EVE.. Player versus Bots :)
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#91 - 2012-10-31 16:02:31 UTC
Lilly Tiger wrote:
why the hell is it NOT ok for PVE focused players to stay away from PVP-centric areas if they dont want to PVP?

Because they do want to PvP.

Oh god.
Lilly Tiger
Megalith Heavy Industries
#92 - 2012-10-31 16:03:41 UTC
flakeys wrote:
Roll For someone who asks for a thread to be closed if it doesn't go the way he likes you sure know what topic's to choose OP .



I was actually following and posting in that thread you mentioned, and have been writing similar threads myself in the past. The reason he asked for it locked might have been that insistent guy always posting angry retorts and hiding behind "im in character!" and reiterating the same arguments over and over again?

Actually, come to think of it, i have been posting and following quite a few of those kind of threads over the years in EVE, and you know what? they almost always end with getting locked because of A) insane amounts of hate/flaming from some very vocal people. Usually of the type "you suck/should leave/die etc for not wanting to do PVP 24/7 in EVE!!!". B) the OP asking for it to be locked because of the massive amounts of personal attacks that start and the derailment of the topic that ensues from that..
Mhax Arthie
Doomheim
#93 - 2012-10-31 16:05:54 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Mhax Arthie wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
The more I read crap like the OP, the more I begin to understand why groups like the Goons exist. I've been fighting goons since my very 1st day as a shave-tail null sec newbie in Atlas Alliance up till now so I've always equate "Goon" with "Assclown" but now, not so much.

....

Sad. Switching your hateread toward goons to some inocent carebears makes you nothing else that a carebear. What you gonna do from now on, raid the ice fields and bitching all day long on forums about miners instead of hunting the hunters? Pfff...


That's the thing, the "carebears" aren't "innocent".

The only times Goons have had an affect on me personally is when they've blown up my combat ships when I was in Atlas....and IT.....and -A-....and NCDot lol (like I've said, i've been on the anti-Goon side a LONG time), but at least they have the nutt-sacktuional fortitude to actually FACE ME in a fight, where as these "innocent carebears" can only muster a teresly worded forum post against me while to mine/mission/incursion the economy into the ground lol.

I'm not quite a goon lover yet, but i support their "emergent gameplayin" them carebears to tears.

So they blow ur your precious ship, that's the only bad thing they done on you. Ok. Well, I assume that I should not hate politicians irl as they never interfere with my life, if they blow up my taxes is only because they love me and all they want is to have an emergent lifestyle. That's a very solid argument I must admit, so maybe I will quit to be an anarchist carebear and enjoy the happiness they provide for free day by day. Not.
Lilly Tiger
Megalith Heavy Industries
#94 - 2012-10-31 16:06:39 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Lilly Tiger wrote:
why the hell is it NOT ok for PVE focused players to stay away from PVP-centric areas if they dont want to PVP?

Because they do want to PvP.


That is the most illogical response i heard today. Sorry but it is. By definition, if you want to focus on PVE, you DONT want to focus on PVP. You might change your mind later, great, then you can do PVP.

If you are thinking of "Everything in eve is pvp" argument, i agree. I will be more precise, i was talking about the PVP-combat oriented players. WHy do the ones who dont want to do PVP in ship combat, have to actively try to do this? (they are going to get it indirectly anyways btw..)
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#95 - 2012-10-31 16:07:24 UTC
Lilly Tiger wrote:
why the hell is it NOT ok for PVE focused players to stay away from PVP-centric areas if they dont want to PVP?

It is perfectly acceptable for the PvE players to stay away from the PvP areas, the problem is they'd have to leave EVE to do that.

CCP has no sense of humour.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#96 - 2012-10-31 16:08:41 UTC
Lilly Tiger wrote:
Some Rando wrote:
White Quake wrote:
HOWEVER to gank people in empire, is cowardly and not real pvp.

Sigh. I hate to point this out but it technically is real PvP because both parties are players and, you know, Player versus Player and all that...

Unless one of them isn't a player... Shocked


You got a good point there, It is PVP.. and some hisec carebears need to learn to accept that. The hate goes both ways it seems, "elite PVPers" hating on the hisec PVE players, and "carebear hisec" players hating on the "evil PVPers".

Thing is. If its ok to kill hisec people for fun from a PVP perspective, and their tears are just added fun, why the hell is it NOT ok for PVE focused players to stay away from PVP-centric areas if they dont want to PVP?

As a PVPer YOU get the choice of bringing the pain to hisec (limited as it might be) why shouldn't PVEers get the option of NOT wanting to go to lowsec/nullsec to seek out more of the gameplay they dont want?


on the PVP part: I'd like more PvB to happen in EVE.. Player versus Bots :)


They have the option of not going to null/low, but they don't have the option of opting out of player vs player interaction as long as their actions (mining, missioning, manufacturing) have an effect on other players. I fully support allowing players to opt out of pvp provided they really opt out of pvp, and not just opt out of the forms they dislike. Stop mining, missioning, cancel any manufacturing jobs and market orders, etc and then it'll be fine.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#97 - 2012-10-31 16:10:04 UTC
The moment any player undocks from a station outside of the training areas, they are expressing a willingness to engage in combat based PvP. These are the rules all players must adhere to.

Oh god.
Lilly Tiger
Megalith Heavy Industries
#98 - 2012-10-31 16:10:31 UTC
Some Rando wrote:
Lilly Tiger wrote:
why the hell is it NOT ok for PVE focused players to stay away from PVP-centric areas if they dont want to PVP?

It is perfectly acceptable for the PvE players to stay away from the PvP areas, the problem is they'd have to leave EVE to do that.


Look at my more precisely worded post about this, just above this post by you Pirate

I am sure you understand what i really meant by it already though.. The rest of the post talks about actively engaging in PVP. That is not the same as having a "pvp flag is off or on" function and you know it.


Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#99 - 2012-10-31 16:13:23 UTC
Lilly Tiger wrote:
I am sure you understand what i really meant by it already though.. The rest of the post talks about actively engaging in PVP. That is not the same as having a "pvp flag is off or on" function and you know it.

I'm not sure that you understand. The mere fact that I can activate offensive modules against your ship pretty much anywhere (with some notable exceptions to get newbies on their feet) indicates to me that there are no places in EVE that are exempt from ship-to-ship PvP.

CCP has no sense of humour.
Lilly Tiger
Megalith Heavy Industries
#100 - 2012-10-31 16:14:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Lilly Tiger
Riot Girl wrote:
The moment any player undocks from a station outside of the training areas, they are expressing a willingness to engage in combat based PvP. These are the rules all players must adhere to.



YES. and STILL the PVPers who actively fit combat ships and try to kill others are in constant frustration over the ones who fit combat ships for missioning (PVE) or even non-combat ships for industry (mining, hauling, PI, whatever) in hisec.

According to your point, they are already "expressing a willingness to engage in pvp" (in their barge.. wtf?), and such what is the constant whining about from all the PVPers?

If they want to fit like prey instead of predators in the great game of PVP in eve, and at the same time (understandably) try to minimize how exposed they are to predators in a non-safe area (all of EVE, hisec is just less unsafe, its not safe).. why is that so god awfully WRONG that so many people whine about?