Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So, its not outranging a ferox. So its not outdamaging it AT ALL RANGES, is it?

No.

Maybe you didn't understand what I was saying. I said hp values on BCs, not just shield hp. That would include armor hp on armor tankers. The way I see it the hp values on the current tier 1 BCs were fine. There was no BC overuse and Cruiser bypass prior to the introduction of the tier 2 BCs. Of course the Caldari and Minmatar BCs will have more relative shield hp and the converse for the Amarr and Gallente.

As for breaking shields. I didn't call for breaking shields. What I was referencing is the skewed shield regen time with all BCs. You can get some utterly ridiculous regen fits on Drakes for pve purposes. Why is this? Well if your shield hp is as much as a Geddon's (a BS, even if an armor tanking one) but your regen time is almost as good as a Cruisers you have a massive regen overtank for level 3s and even for level 4s and other pve content. A Ferox can tank a level 4 if fit for it (the damage of course will be abysmal) and has been so able for many years even with one less mid and lesser base shield hp. But other BCs are not so blessed. BCs in pve terms should be level 3 boats. Most races have to train BS to put together a level 4 tank and sufficient level 4 damage in the same ship.

In pvp, as I said, prior to the tier 2 BCs, Cruisers were not automatic dog food. Presently Cruisers are being buffed. I think what we just saw with the Cane is something that indicates where BCs are going. They will stay stronger than but are not going to be miles ahead of the new Cruisers. BCs are going to be weaker relative to BSs. Tier 2 BCs are crowding out smaller hulls or under pricing too many larger hulls. Smaller hulls are getting buffed atm. The underpircing of BSs with BCs will apparently be addressed with some varying nerfs to tier 2 BCs. Already there was mention of nerfing mobility and possibly fittings with tier 3 BCs.

In short, too many of you folks that relied on the Drake to do everything are going to have to adjust and discover other ships. You will still have appropriate shield tanks, as the armor BCs will have appropriate armor tanks. But I would bet no longer will you have the same tanking abilities you currently enjoy with shield BCs when they get to BCs. And as Fozzies last post suggests this will be due to restored utility with cruisers and BSs. This will be good for the game, as a whole, even if some currently over used BC or Tech III hulls stand to lose some amount of their current utility.

I love how the Ferox a broken Tier 1 Ship with no Damage Bonus, 2 less slots and 1 less weapon is apparently being used in an argument for how much damage a Drake should do.

How bout waiting until the Tier System is gone to compare anything.

That is wrong.

And you seem to forget that with rigs Drake does 414 dps at 125 km while your fail fit Ferox does 198 dps at 120 km.

No it isn't wrong. Look at the kill boards and see what ships are used in roaming fleets. I would know since I spend most of my time evading some of you flying T2 gallente and minmatar ships in null. So, yea, I do know thanks.

Update to the plan everyone. Gonna call this version 2.1 since the change is a bit less significant than the last.

After consideration we agree that the range reduction to Fury missiles was too severe in the earlier versions so we are re-adjusting them to 75% of the flight time of T1. This means they will still have a shorter range than their current stats on TQ but that reduction will be much more moderate. The OP and spreadsheet have both been updated.

The new stats should get ported into our next testing release on Duality which we expect to happen in the near future. Thanks as always to everyone helping us refine these changes.

At this rate all the nerfs will eventually disappear...

Is this just to Fury and not to Rage?

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Item_Database:Ship_Equipment:Electronics_and_Sensor_Upgrades:Sensor_Boosters

Use one with targeting range script and second unscripted so you gain a small bonus to scan res also.