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Ravnik
Infinate Horizon
#41 - 2012-10-31 14:20:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Ravnik
Oh look..another "lets whine about high / low / null sec" thread. As has been said before, go play something else?

Im starting to think they need a separate section in the forums labelled "whiners post here". GD would probably have nothing left in it tho...

The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long - and you have burned so very, very brightly..........
Devon Krah'tor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2012-10-31 14:23:15 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Please, take the most current 3 pages of forum threads, and consolidate all the things null wants done to high sec, and build an image and load it on Tranquility.

Just do one thing.
Give us a precise statement of how many active accounts there are (non Dust related), just before you do it.
Then keep the image up for 6 months, and then give us another snapshot of the sub base size.

I am not sure you can afford to do it, but from what all the null sec posters are inferring, your sub rate would soar.

If the sub rate is up, well, I guess the null sec propagandists were right all along since a higher sub rate would also infer that this new image was a better game, and EVE and CCP are both in a better place.

On the flip side, if the sub rate has fallen off a cliff, well then, you would have empirical evidence that maybe null sec is not as all-knowing as they think, and maybe, just maybe, high sec should be protected.

Of course, there is that risk that you could wipe out your cash flow for quite a few months, but hey, I am sure all the null sec players would gladly reactivate a ton of accounts, or start new ones, and CCP, well, you then you don't take that hit in subs.


You display paranoia and a serious persecution complex in almost every post. If you're like that in real life, I urge you to seek professional mental health help.

I'm serious dude, in my RL job I respond to lots of EDP (emotionally disturbed person) calls and the main things most of them have in common is the idea that "someone is out to get them" or take their stuff or whatever. And every time you vere off into some tirade or accuzation about "null sec zealots" ( a phrase i've seen you use over and over again) like you've been doing in the NPC AI discussions, I think "this guy is an EDP call waiting to happen".

I imagine one day there will be a man in a straight jacket sitting in the corner or a padded room rocking back and forth muttering "null-sec" over and over again......And it will be you.




I beleive you maybe crossing a line here.
Greater.Insight.Skill.Knowledge
Anslo
Scope Works
#43 - 2012-10-31 14:23:43 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
I'm talking about Dinsdale specifically. Go read his posts critically, and you'll see how he (almost out of nowhere) flies off into an anti-null rant even if the subject is about something else (which you probably don't notice given your own anti-null slant). I'd be willing to bet that if you told him the sky was blue he'd tell you Null sec had something to do with changing the colors around to suit them.......

I don't know if he's really mentally ill or not, just saying that if I observed the same kind of behavior in a real life person during a call for service, I'd stuff that person in my patrol vehicle and run him on down to the nearest Mental health facility lol.


No I...noticed...no comment. Anyway, I doubt he's like that in RL. People change personalities often online. I can't for certain it's his case, as that would be as assumptive as your claim but...whatever.

As for my anti-nul slant; I'm actually just fine with nul, it's when nul gets bored and comes harass miners and carebears that I have a problem. P

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Ghazu
#44 - 2012-10-31 15:30:53 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
I'm talking about Dinsdale specifically. Go read his posts critically, and you'll see how he (almost out of nowhere) flies off into an anti-null rant even if the subject is about something else (which you probably don't notice given your own anti-null slant). I'd be willing to bet that if you told him the sky was blue he'd tell you Null sec had something to do with changing the colors around to suit them.......

I don't know if he's really mentally ill or not, just saying that if I observed the same kind of behavior in a real life person during a call for service, I'd stuff that person in my patrol vehicle and run him on down to the nearest Mental health facility lol.


No I...noticed...no comment. Anyway, I doubt he's like that in RL. People change personalities often online. I can't for certain it's his case, as that would be as assumptive as your claim but...whatever.

As for my anti-nul slant; I'm actually just fine with nul, it's when nul gets bored and comes harass miners and carebears that I have a problem. P

Watcha gonna do about it? Post till they stop?

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#45 - 2012-10-31 15:55:58 UTC
Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
1) Move to Empire
2) Stop bitching and make the nice things for themselves. That's why 0.0 is there.

Mr Epeen Cool

One problem I've noticed at least is that there's a hard limit of one outpost per null-sec system.

Whereas a region like The Forge has 93 systems with 358 outposts. Something seen throughout Empire - around 4 stations on average per system.

We in null get just one maximum. That's not exactly balanced in terms of manufacturing, research, etc. capabilities.

Which kind of segues into:
Dasola wrote:
If nullsec carebears get what they want, highsec would turn in wasteland. Result: 0.0 people time to go mining those minerals if they want build another supercap themselfs... And we all know 0.0 players dont do that. 0.0 is just too unstable are of game for sustainable long term industry. In few days you can loose sov in system, get locked out of outpost and get screwed all arround by new owner of system...

If we could put down 10 or 12 outposts in a single null-sec system like there are in many high-sec systems, there'd be more stability as well as major trade hubs in null. More defensible, and much greater capacity for manufacturing.

Hence some of the limitations I was talking about. I'm not an expert in industry, but I know that it's not nearly as economical to build things (everything that isn't capital ships) in nullsec as it is in highsec.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Geligdio Khan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2012-10-31 16:00:32 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Please, take the most current 3 pages of forum threads, and consolidate all the things null wants done to high sec, and build an image and load it on Tranquility.

Just do one thing.
Give us a precise statement of how many active accounts there are (non Dust related), just before you do it.
Then keep the image up for 6 months, and then give us another snapshot of the sub base size.

I am not sure you can afford to do it, but from what all the null sec posters are inferring, your sub rate would soar.

If the sub rate is up, well, I guess the null sec propagandists were right all along since a higher sub rate would also infer that this new image was a better game, and EVE and CCP are both in a better place.

On the flip side, if the sub rate has fallen off a cliff, well then, you would have empirical evidence that maybe null sec is not as all-knowing as they think, and maybe, just maybe, high sec should be protected.

Of course, there is that risk that you could wipe out your cash flow for quite a few months, but hey, I am sure all the null sec players would gladly reactivate a ton of accounts, or start new ones, and CCP, well, you then you don't take that hit in subs.



Another grandiose "Nerf High Sec and everyone will quit" threat, of the highest order.

If you rage quit when things don't go your way how long are you going to play for anyway?

Thanks
Dessau
The Scope
#47 - 2012-10-31 16:01:05 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
...high sec should be protected.

I agree, High Sec should be protected. By the denizens of High Sec.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#48 - 2012-10-31 16:08:13 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:


You display paranoia and a serious persecution complex in almost every post. If you're like that in real life, I urge you to seek professional mental health help.

I'm serious dude, in my RL job I respond to lots of EDP (emotionally disturbed person) calls and the main things most of them have in common is the idea that "someone is out to get them" or take their stuff or whatever. And every time you vere off into some tirade or accuzation about "null sec zealots" ( a phrase i've seen you use over and over again) like you've been doing in the NPC AI discussions, I think "this guy is an EDP call waiting to happen".

I imagine one day there will be a man in a straight jacket sitting in the corner or a padded room rocking back and forth muttering "null-sec" over and over again......And it will be you.


Hmmm...guess ISD is giving you a pass when you suggest that I am emotionally disturbed. What a surprise.
Wonder if they will give me the same pass when I suggest that you are quite possibly lying about what you do for a living, and your entire collection of posts in this thread are ad hominem, and that you should be banned from posting.

Your response is the standard one for someone with no argument to the thrust of my statements, or that of someone with a weak mind, which is to attack the poster, not the arguement.

And frankly, I don't see what the problem would be. If null players (BTW, I was one for close to a year, as well as living in wh's for well over a year) have such superior knowledge of the game, what would be the issue of creating an Eve precisely like the ones that they envision. Clearly, these people have complete faith in their belief that the sub base would not collapse.

So why not try this for 6 months? Let's actually see what the ramifications are.
But perhaps, just maybe, there are enough people at CCP , known as accountants, that might have some opposition to this idea.

Of course, maybe, just maybe the majority of the null sec zealots posting here are just meta-griefing, and don't actually believe most of the crap spewed from their collective mouths.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#49 - 2012-10-31 16:08:25 UTC
pussnheels wrote:
worse idea ever , giving both entities what they want , it probably be easier to create 2 seperate servers than

The whole idea like it is now that both need each other to thrive , null sec need high sec mostly as the market for their unique 0.0 items ( moongoo ; abc ore, faction modules etc ) while in return they need the low end minerals , ice and production capacities from high sec they lack in 0.0 so they can keep paying for their constant wars they need to wage in order to keep their influence
bit of a never ending viscious circle

What?

You do realize that the stuff you have to build in null, can only be used in null.

Moongoo isn't something everyone in null can mine.

The most valueable and best selling commodities are got in high sec.

Production capacities? You mean all the stations no player had to pay to install and upgrade, and offer cheaper industry costs than is available to the majority of industrialists in null?

Are you refering to the never ending supply of meta items that are farmed en masse and sold at prices that make T1 goods nearly useless?

You do know that I get my low ends from null, not high sec. I know they come out of null because people aren't importing it from high to sell for less in null than they paid for it.

Is there not some sort of thing you can do to convert something into high ends in high sec?

High sec doesn't "need" null one bit, and null shouldn't be FORCED to be dependant on high sec markets.


It's strange the way some of you high sec guys seem to have a better understanding of how null works than those of us living there.
Geligdio Khan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2012-10-31 16:11:27 UTC
Devon Krah'tor wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Please, take the most current 3 pages of forum threads, and consolidate all the things null wants done to high sec, and build an image and load it on Tranquility.

Just do one thing.
Give us a precise statement of how many active accounts there are (non Dust related), just before you do it.
Then keep the image up for 6 months, and then give us another snapshot of the sub base size.

I am not sure you can afford to do it, but from what all the null sec posters are inferring, your sub rate would soar.

If the sub rate is up, well, I guess the null sec propagandists were right all along since a higher sub rate would also infer that this new image was a better game, and EVE and CCP are both in a better place.

On the flip side, if the sub rate has fallen off a cliff, well then, you would have empirical evidence that maybe null sec is not as all-knowing as they think, and maybe, just maybe, high sec should be protected.

Of course, there is that risk that you could wipe out your cash flow for quite a few months, but hey, I am sure all the null sec players would gladly reactivate a ton of accounts, or start new ones, and CCP, well, you then you don't take that hit in subs.


You display paranoia and a serious persecution complex in almost every post. If you're like that in real life, I urge you to seek professional mental health help.

I'm serious dude, in my RL job I respond to lots of EDP (emotionally disturbed person) calls and the main things most of them have in common is the idea that "someone is out to get them" or take their stuff or whatever. And every time you vere off into some tirade or accuzation about "null sec zealots" ( a phrase i've seen you use over and over again) like you've been doing in the NPC AI discussions, I think "this guy is an EDP call waiting to happen".

I imagine one day there will be a man in a straight jacket sitting in the corner or a padded room rocking back and forth muttering "null-sec" over and over again......And it will be you.




I beleive you maybe crossing a line here.


Agreed, this is a pretty personal attack.

Thanks
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#51 - 2012-10-31 16:13:44 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:


Hmmm...guess ISD is giving you a pass when you suggest that I am emotionally disturbed. What a surprise.


You realize you just proved what I said right?
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2012-10-31 16:14:50 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Of course, maybe, just maybe the majority of the null sec zealots posting here are just meta-griefing, and don't actually believe most of the crap spewed from their collective mouths.

Would making nullsec a manufacturer's heaven, implementing a reduction in compressed ore refinery efficiency and increasing manufacturing costs in hisec "break the game"?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#53 - 2012-10-31 16:16:15 UTC
Geligdio Khan wrote:
Devon Krah'tor wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Please, take the most current 3 pages of forum threads, and consolidate all the things null wants done to high sec, and build an image and load it on Tranquility.

Just do one thing.
Give us a precise statement of how many active accounts there are (non Dust related), just before you do it.
Then keep the image up for 6 months, and then give us another snapshot of the sub base size.

I am not sure you can afford to do it, but from what all the null sec posters are inferring, your sub rate would soar.

If the sub rate is up, well, I guess the null sec propagandists were right all along since a higher sub rate would also infer that this new image was a better game, and EVE and CCP are both in a better place.

On the flip side, if the sub rate has fallen off a cliff, well then, you would have empirical evidence that maybe null sec is not as all-knowing as they think, and maybe, just maybe, high sec should be protected.

Of course, there is that risk that you could wipe out your cash flow for quite a few months, but hey, I am sure all the null sec players would gladly reactivate a ton of accounts, or start new ones, and CCP, well, you then you don't take that hit in subs.


You display paranoia and a serious persecution complex in almost every post. If you're like that in real life, I urge you to seek professional mental health help.

I'm serious dude, in my RL job I respond to lots of EDP (emotionally disturbed person) calls and the main things most of them have in common is the idea that "someone is out to get them" or take their stuff or whatever. And every time you vere off into some tirade or accuzation about "null sec zealots" ( a phrase i've seen you use over and over again) like you've been doing in the NPC AI discussions, I think "this guy is an EDP call waiting to happen".

I imagine one day there will be a man in a straight jacket sitting in the corner or a padded room rocking back and forth muttering "null-sec" over and over again......And it will be you.




I beleive you maybe crossing a line here.


Agreed, this is a pretty personal attack.



It's an observation, I'm not attacking anyone, simply pointing out how the poster's behavior should raise a red flag (for him if no one else).

He doesn't need attacking, his ideas are silly enough on their face.
pussnheels
Viziam
#54 - 2012-10-31 16:20:15 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Barrogh Habalu wrote:

You OP make null players look worse than they are. From my forum experience, adequate null people want some nice things for living in null, they don't care about hi-sec really.



If null wants nice things they have two choices.

1) Move to Empire
2) Stop bitching and make the nice things for themselves. That's why 0.0 is there.

Mr Epeen Cool


there you are completely wrong, you can have a better time in nullsec than in high sec , more challeging than h sec can ever be and more rewarding both in carebearing if you want to use that word or in pvp

both secs could use some tweals here and there true
but since i joined this corp and had the chance of moving to null , i had to change my opinion on null sec , i even have to admit t m getting addicted to it , the pvp ( not my strongest point) the ratting , (best stable income in the game ) and even the industry on a different account
aslong you are willing to fight for it

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#55 - 2012-10-31 16:23:58 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
So why not try this for 6 months? Let's actually see what the ramifications are.
But perhaps, just maybe, there are enough people at CCP , known as accountants, that might have some opposition to this idea.

I hear accountants are game designers and commonly make great decisions that always affect a game's future in a positive manner.
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