EVE General Discussion

Nullbears want PvP? I thought Nullbears want to make nice and safe 50,000 man alliances and cry about Highsec all day.

I think it would ruin game for everyone. Reason EvE is game we all play for enjoyment is its diversity. CCP´s hanging in balance of things so far. It offers something for many different type of players.

If nullsec carebears get what they want, highsec would turn in wasteland. Result: 0.0 people time to go mining those minerals if they want build another supercap themselfs... And we all know 0.0 players dont do that. 0.0 is just too unstable are of game for sustainable long term industry. In few days you can loose sov in system, get locked out of outpost and get screwed all arround by new owner of system...

If highsec carebears would get all they want, eve would be turned into fluffy handholding carebear heaven where no evil happens ever...

Personally im guite happy on balance things have now. 0.0 playerw get to wage those newer ending wars over ownership of system. Highsec miners get to sell minerals for those 0.0 supercap builders. And money flows in economy.

And just for records, im carebear mostly. Sometimes i spend time in 0.0, sometimes in highsec. Lowsec just not worth the trouble. Better ratting in 0.0, better ores in highsec.

That assumption is what can actually kill the game.

What is the reason for null sec players to suddenly activate tons of new accounts instead of the ones lost to high-sec "suggestions"?

Not everyone want 2-3 accounts. And a lot of null sec players already have more accounts. So why even more? What is the reason behind it?

Add to the fact that plex-to-plex for new accounts is about to go out the window, people will be less interested to make more accounts as they will need to pay for them.

Prices will just go high, plex will go high, renting space prices will go high as mineral needs of alliances will cost more, null sec mining won't go that high as even PvPers don't venture enough to big alliances space.
So the reason for more accounts is?

Most likely there will be a big reduction in active accounts, and if today you see 40-45 thousand active players online, you will see 30-35 at best.


CCP has the need to balance things. Else your suggestion will mean suicide ganking themselves.


Beside, with all that null vs high, I would prefer CCP to add twice as many WH systems as there are now.
Or make null like WH space and remove local.

Bottom line is we make our own safety in null while highsec whines to devs.

Dear god no, there are tons of absolutely harebrained ideas which would be Bad if they were implemented.

The two main problems which are facing EVE right now is
1) Nullsec isn't worth living in. PVP, sure, but not actually try to make a living in it. Mainly because it doesn't pay out nearly well enough compared to hisec L4s and the fact industrialists can't keep up with hisec.
2) Hisec is so safe and lucrative that it's directly depopulating null.


If you were to activate literally every "nerf hisec" suggestion, then it would be better for CCP to just shut off the servers, and you know this. A ton of suggestions are pants on head ********, even more ******** than "hurr jumpbridges are a major force projection tool".

The suggestions which CCP should consider for this type of experiment would be something which fixes the problem of nullsec not being worth living in, probably combined with a few minor nerfs to hisec just to cement the changes in nullsec.

And the major nullsec changes I can think of would be to massively increase the number of slots available to industrialists in nullsec, along with bringing the refinery/BP research/copy/etc convenience etc up on par with (or exceed) hisec's, and the main hisec changes I would consider if the nullsec changes aren't enough would be changes to dissuade nullsec from exporting compressed ore to hisec (to facilitate refining of ore in nullsec even when there's a minor tax on it), combined with an increased manufacturing slot installation cost (when I can build a maelstrom for less than 2k, something's wrong) and possibly a minor decrease in ME efficiency to dissuade export of guns/ammo to nullsec. None of this would stop risk-averse people from doing their thing in hisec, they'd just have a monetary incentive to put themselves more at risk, and yes, that does include me and my hisec alts.

As for L4s, I honestly don't care about that beyond the fact they've set a dangerously high precedent for isk/hour rewards which everyone expects as a bare minimum these days. It's CCP's headache when it comes to the fact they've removed tons of isk sinks from the game without replacing them with their equivalent, and as a result we've got a hilarious monetary inflation going on. vOv

Once made, its not so easily unmade.

what if hisec started as just a handful of systems, a place for rookies to learn the basics, maybe get recruited. and the rest of new eden was low/nullsec.

We would all adapt to the situation, no one would cry. No one would threaten to unsub because they can't handle to the thought of a challenge.


CCP please take the time to create a vision for the future of eve-o for us to see. It would end a whole lot of this bickering, and would turn a lot of discussion to constructive topics.

Nerf Hi or buff null/low I don't care. But CCP you need to figure out how to get the massive majority of the playerbase out of mom's basement. She's got to stop cooking and cleaning and taking care us, while we hold down $80k a year jobs. Time to move out.

Live testing isn't always the best route. It would be interesting though. I still say CCP should turn off local in NPC 0.0 for 1 week/month, to test the no local vs local argument.

You display paranoia and a serious persecution complex in almost every post. If you're like that in real life, I urge you to seek professional mental health help.

I'm serious dude, in my RL job I respond to lots of EDP (emotionally disturbed person) calls and the main things most of them have in common is the idea that "someone is out to get them" or take their stuff or whatever. And every time you vere off into some tirade or accuzation about "null sec zealots" ( a phrase i've seen you use over and over again) like you've been doing in the NPC AI discussions, I think "this guy is an EDP call waiting to happen".

I imagine one day there will be a man in a straight jacket sitting in the corner or a padded room rocking back and forth muttering "null-sec" over and over again......And it will be you.

Underlined the answer to your own question. If someone can "bully" you in a video game you need more help that CCP could ever provide lol.

And who is bullying the OP? If you follow the NPC AI discussions you'll simply see a paranoid person who is hurting the cause (i'm against the way the NPC AI change is being handled, but by god I wish Dinsdale was not on my "side", he's just making things worse).

I'm talking about Dinsdale specifically. Go read his posts critically, and you'll see how he (almost out of nowhere) flies off into an anti-null rant even if the subject is about something else (which you probably don't notice given your own anti-null slant). I'd be willing to bet that if you told him the sky was blue he'd tell you Null sec had something to do with changing the colors around to suit them.......

I don't know if he's really mentally ill or not, just saying that if I observed the same kind of behavior in a real life person during a call for service, I'd stuff that person in my patrol vehicle and run him on down to the nearest Mental health facility lol.