Missions & Complexes

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One could argue this was caused by higher rewards in Incursions vs. Missions.
That said, it was your initial intention as well; for Incursion not only to compete with missions, but efficiently beating it.

Know what it's like to go through a video for over an hour pulling time marks and bullets from it to have it removed as off-topic? lol -- teaches me for replying to a "working as intended" snippet...

There are other small group content sites in the game - higher level plexes -- the 8/10's through 10/10's do take a gang to do them. Whereas it is possible to do many of them with a fairly small crew, it is also possible for a smaller crew to do VG's - it's just not as rewarding for smaller groups vs plex running.

To try and reiterate my summary on the point:

- I don't think Vanguards need their value reduced.
- I do think the farming of them needs to be prevented in highsec. (low/null = ok - risks involved)
- I think that the higher level incursions could use a buff to encourage more participation in those. (LARGE scale PvE)
- I also think that the LP conversions across factions needs to be revisited. That's an issue.

What about limiting the number of each incursion site type that a party could participate in during a 24 hour period. That might cause people to farm up the chain, that is, run their limit of vanguards then move to larger types. It would also let some of the 'lower level' players get into the game rather than being shut out, as some have argued they are now.

Dons asbestos.

Sweet troll bro.

Pretty sure he never specifically said "100mil/hr isk is exactly what we wanted."

I have no idea why it was removed. It was ... perhaps not ontopic, but mine was neither. I thought your post was well written so good job for that mate.

And I agree with your opinions. A change is needed and hopefully CCP has been following us in this thread and the few others about incursions.

Incursions are profitable and don't require you to be a part of a huge 0.0 alliance. I think this is causing a lot of hate from the big 0.0 aliances and once they twist CCP's arm Incursions will be nerfed. Enjoy them while you can

+1

I'm sure the intentions are honourable, but nobody likes to be told how to play a game. The game is marketed as a sandbox on the FAQ page:

"You can trade to make a living, conduct mining operations, market your fighting skills as a mercenary, camp the spacelanes for profit as a pirate, conduct espionage and infiltration, focus on research and manufacturing, or perform increasingly profitable missions for NPC (non player controlled, run by the EVE system) agents. What you choose to do day by day is up to you. You can play alone, form a corporation (equivalent of clan or guild) with a close group of friends or seek entrance to any of the large player run corporations and alliances..."

If CCP's masterplan really is is to turn everyone into a pew pewer, then perhaps it should say that on the box? There's no point sucking in new players with false advertising and then trying to sell them something else in-game.

We were discussing the “incursion vs mission” topic during the incursion fleets I was a part of over last weekend.

That in itself is the point, 10+ random people chatting about all kinds of stuff. The pilots I was flying with ranged from highsec bears to nulsec alts, all used to grinding out missions for isk to support their gameplay elsewhere. The general consensus was that there were two driving forces as to why people were flocking to them.


The “easy” isk
Monetising missions can be a real pain, or at least requires some additional effort to just the running of the missions. You have to sort loot, reprocess and sell the minerals from the poor stuff, sell the good stuff. Process the LP into isk by getting tags and what not… keeping an eye on the markets and contract prices etc.

Monetising incursions is easy, kill, paid, kill, paid, kill… a fair few pilots I’ve spoken to haven’t even looked at the LP side yet, they’re happy with the pure isk.

The social side
Incursions pull together random people, put them in the same place and make them work together or die… and sometimes die anyway. Sometimes the random nature of incursions kills off a member of even a good crew, sometimes its poor piloting, sometimes the basis are just a little too drunk

Missions as they stand at the moment are solo grind, the missions are stale static known entities. Losing a mission boat to the npcs is quite a feat these days. You can share missions, but the rewards are split between the mission runners and from personal experience, having 2 pilots running the same mission doesn’t usually mean twice the speed, so sharing can net a loss of rewards over time (might just be doing that wrong though ).



Are the highsec incursion sites paying out too much? Are vanguards too easy? Etc.

I think there needs to be some balancing done to the incursions, too many crammed into vanguards rather than spread across assaults and hq can be a pain, but as discussed in other threads some of the affecting factors is the ease of getting vanguards together compared to other types of incursions. 10ish Logis and Dps compared to 20ish Logis, Snipers, Close Dps for assaults (more complex fleet) and however many the HQ sites need (only run a couple, but it’s the size that seemed to be a problem).
I think there needs to be some balancing of the rewards to ensure there is that incentive to push to get a larger more complex group together, but that’s for another thread…

Where is the risk when your alliance leaders moon mine huge amounts of moon materials, which most of them keep for themselves and have you as meat shield to protect them? No risk at all, even if someone decides to try to take it, it would take maybe even a month to push one alliance out, not to mention huge amount of people to back him up days and nights with expensive ships....
Cant really see the risk, and how easy this risk materializes, and thats why we see all those numerous titans and motherships like they are t1 cruisers.... because the amount of isk generated in 0.0 is immense.
Did i mention that its almost afk money? minus a couple of times per week to fuel.... CCP even gave you JF to make fueling even easier so your leaders can generate even more without risk. Didnt see YOU complain about that.
On top of that you are in 0.0 you have upgraded systems with numerous plexes and sites and anomalies and even belt rats that you can do ALONE without the help of anyone and get all the isk for yourself, and im not mentioning the chance to get very expensive deadspace and officer mods....
Btw low sec incursions have way bigger risk than your 0.0 ones, that you do with 0.0000000000001% risk instead of 0%. Your alliance owns the space you have local and you can just wrp out when you see hostiles, and continue afterwards, where is the risk in that?....... plus full 100% rewards instead of 75% in empire.

No you dont complain about all those things, you complain because you did incursions and you realize that you cant make so much money from lp store rewards that you expected...... So you ask CCP to just nerf high sec ones so you can make more money.
You are in 0.0 you have so many advantages and so many choices to make huge money yet you whine about a way that affects empire.....

Get your facts right ignorant.

What should be nerfed first of all is moon goo, when that is nerfed, come again.