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CCP, Give highsecers everything they want, put it on the test server and see how many people are pl- wait... it's already on it.

tbh it would result in a far better game than giving high-sec everything they want.

I am in a good mood today . So why not give null everything they want then when it is too good and everybody does it, then nerf it to the ground.

Look around the forums.

My statement is based on what I've read on these forums over roughly a year and a half. Null-sec (and low-sec and WH) players generally want the game balanced, usually by the risks you take to get your rewards. Since it is much easier to nerf one thing than to buff everything else, the answer is usually to nerf high-sec in some fashion. High-sec-only players naturally find this extremely distasteful.

High-sec encompasses a lot of different types of play and players so it is hard to generalize it, but then that also applies to pretty much the entire game. More precisely, high-sec PvE activities and players are what is referred to when speaking of nerfing "high-sec". In short, the reward for such activities are vastly out of proportion to the risk one takes doing them compared to similar activities done elsewhere.

We still have to work within the limitations of the system. If you're implying otherwise, that's rather naive of you.

Quite the opposite.

If all you want to do is blow stuff up all day in pointless zerg fashion, the test server is a great place. 1000 ISK will get you a T2 fit anything.

Undock, Boom
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Undock, Boom
Undock, Boom
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Undock, Boom

Do it all day. Gets kinda boring though.

worse idea ever , giving both entities what they want , it probably be easier to create 2 seperate servers than

The whole idea like it is now that both need each other to thrive , null sec need high sec mostly as the market for their unique 0.0 items ( moongoo ; abc ore, faction modules etc ) while in return they need the low end minerals , ice and production capacities from high sec they lack in 0.0 so they can keep paying for their constant wars they need to wage in order to keep their influence
bit of a never ending viscious circle

I browse these forums here and there, but I don't really see many real suggestions on "improving hisec". I mostly see "hi-sec whiners" being referred in third-person by people making bitter comments on how CCP will cater to those almost inexistant people; few others really look more like trolls.

More on main topic, I understand that fixing something is better idea than overhaul about everything else, but let's have a look at real problems discussed by null/WH people.

Hi-sec income isn't really the problem for those I've spoken with. Sometimes you see posts in spirit of "herp derp no risk", but I had some discussion with null/WH guys hanging in random public channels and none of them would take hisec risk/reward over what they have now, so YMMV I think. Granted, we are not talking about guys who multibox entire incursions and mining fleets of dozens of vessels, but the former guy works pretty hard for what he has; latter is just an epitome of "alts online" ("working as intended", lol).

What they do see as problem, however, is not that hisec people have better lives, it's that they just don't have and can't even build what would be enough for them. They can't construct stations with enough production slots, for example. They can't make worthless space any useful. Nerfing hisec won't make their lives any better. Some maybe will feel better, but (since we already mentioned that, let's stick to the example), say, reducing hisec production capabilities will only aggravate problems of null dwellers who have to run some industry in high. What else? Sov gring, POS grind, more sov grind... It's going nowhere, no matter what you do to high.

Same goes pretty much to most WH complaints. Those from larger groups have arguably the best income in the game and it's not going to step down from that position even if you count in all undesirable loses to dangerous environement. By "undesirable" I mean, say, farming ops getting ganked, as opposed to roaming whelp fleets (when one qualifies as "whelp" depends on corp really, some seem to mind little even their T3 losses as long as they managed to eject in time and not being podded in the middle of WH space during something interesting which is PITA really, while some others run good ol' BC gangs like that).

So, what are they compalining about? Sucky POS intraface, inability to reconfigurate T3s (lol @ children of W-space not being adapted to W-space in this regard, really), logoffski safety of capital escalating gangs and people POS-upping which causes - guess what? - right, moar POS grind, sometimes with tier3s for the lack of possibility of capital assaults in most systems. None of these problems are solved by nerfing hi sec, no matter what and how hard. Arguably, sometimes you hear statements on that nerfing hisec would increase amount of daytrippers who have a good property of bringing some fun, but on the other hand that means more people joining carebear WH corps which means - again - even more POS grind for those who have chosen WHs for environement and not just ISK.

It actually quite funny that CW2.0 that upsets "1337 pvpers" so much for "catering to carebears" is actually welcomed by wormholers for screwing with "carebearish" logoffski of capital escalating gangs.

And btw CCP promised to fix infrastructure one day, we just have to cope with CCP's tempo. Though don't expect them to do it to the point where everyone will be self-sufficient. Interaction between spaces, as Pussnheels noted, is an important ingedient in EVE formula.


You can't really sculpt nullsec as it pleases you, you can only use tool CCP provides you with, and those became insufficient by modern standards. As I've said though, CCP is aware of the problem.

Though suggestion to move in empire isn't really good one. Null/low/high/WHs are not just places where you make fortunes, it's also different playgrounds for people who prefer to play by different rules. You don't move somewhere just because meadows there are greener.

no just would hand goons everything.

Tell ya right now do this and iam done thats 3 accounts out.

Wow so much crying on the forums because everyone doesn't play the game the way they think it should be played. Pathetic.