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Benchmarking Eve - Windows 7 vs Windows 8

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Logix42
Taxation Damnation
#1 - 2012-10-31 02:13:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Logix42
TL;DR Windows 8 is not noticeably better or worse than Windows 7 for the purpose of Eve

I decided to do a comparison of how Eve performs on Windows 7 vs Windows 8 (both 64-bit). I used an older laptop I have lying around and the OS were 'free' since I'm a University student (free bs, they just build it into my tuition). Did a fresh install of both and then installed Eve and ran a kind of bench test using the performance monitor (CTRL+SHIFT+ALT+M)

Date: October 30, 2012
Eve Version: 8.10.437302
System Laptop, 4 years old, used heavily for 2.5
Processor: Intel Mobile Core 2 Duo P8700 @ 2.53GHz
RAM: 4 GB DDR2 @ 400MHz
Video Card: ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650 256MB
Hard Drive: Seagate SATA II 7200rpm

I ran the tests using the default graphics settings. First in Full screen, then in Fixed window. The reason for a fixed window test was because I personally use it all the time for easier Alt-Tabing.
Steps of my test
  • Start Eve
  • Open/Close performance monitor (ctrl+shift+alt+m >> performance tab)
  • Open fps (ctrl+f)
  • Undock
  • Warp to asteroid belt
  • Dock back up
  • Switch to hangar (default is CQ)
  • Open monitor and take screenshot

  • What I found was there was no noticeable performance difference at all going from Windows 7 to Windows 8. According to the screenshots there may have actually been a slight increase. See for your self if you like.
    Full Screen mode comparison http://i.imgur.com/qQSqP.png
    Fixed Window mode comparison http://i.imgur.com/pOGY5.png

    I know that the real test would be doing a bench mark of some kind of fleet fight but those are not very repeatable in the sense of being the same each time. Also I'm not about to run a fleet on my old computer and not quite ready to install Windows 8 on my main desktop. I'll give them a while to get the bugs out first. My overall impression of Windows 8 is that it feels snappy and responsive on a general use level so I'll leave it installed on this old laptop.

    If anyone else wants to do a similar benchmark test comparing Windows 7 & 8 I would love to see you're results.
    Feedback is welcome Smile

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    Corina Jarr
    en Welle Shipping Inc.
    #2 - 2012-10-31 02:59:21 UTC
    With that setup you likely won't notice much of a difference. The larger differences would be more noticeable on higher systems.



    On a side note, I almost hope Windows 8 fails for PCs... its a mobile OS, pretending to be for a desktop.
    Some Rando
    University of Caille
    Gallente Federation
    #3 - 2012-10-31 03:10:14 UTC
    Uh, off-topic question, but you've got first-hand experience OP: My job standardized on Ubuntu and thankfully I can install and run Fluxbox instead of that ****** Unity tablet-ass crap. Can I do the same with some sort of "classic" mode for Windows 8?

    On-topic, it's good to hear we're not heading for another idiotic Vista episode.

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    usrevenge
    Viziam
    Amarr Empire
    #4 - 2012-10-31 03:42:11 UTC
    you should try multi clienting maybe?
    Logix42
    Taxation Damnation
    #5 - 2012-10-31 19:01:26 UTC
    TL;Dr Testing with dual boxing and a higher quality system

    I had some free space on my data hard drive so I made a partition and ran a similar benchmark; this time on a much better computer. This test was run with max graphics where as the previous was run at default settings.

    Date: October 31, 2012
    Eve Version: 8.10.437302
    System Desktop
    Processor: Intel Core i7 870 @ 2.93GHz
    RAM: 12.0 GB DDR3 @ 1333MHz
    Video Card: ATI Radeon HD 5830 1GB
    Hard Drive: Western Digital SATA III

    In order to stress the system a little I had a 2nd client open in the background, logged in with completely maxed graphics in fixed window mode and character sitting in the CQ. The client I used for testing I ran using max graphics and alternated window modes. All also ran a test for each with vsync disabled.

    I altered the steps of my test slightly
  • Start Eve
  • Open/Close performance monitor
  • Open fps
  • Open/Close Esc menu
  • Undock
  • Warp to asteroid belt
  • Dock back up
  • Alt tab to background client and back
  • Walk the length of the hall in the CQ
  • Switch to hangar view
  • Open monitor and take screenshot

  • Results:
    Interestingly when I Alt-Tabbed in Windows 8 the FPS did not spike like they do in Windows 7. That was the only significant difference. Note that because of the spike in Windows 7 the scale is different on the left hand side.

    Full Screen: http://i.imgur.com/hhaYi.jpg
    Full Screen /w VSync Off: http://i.imgur.com/0XvUG.jpg
    Fixed Window: http://i.imgur.com/YLMqy.jpg
    Fixed Window /w VSync Off: http://i.imgur.com/Dr18A.jpg

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    Unsuccessful At Everything
    The Troll Bridge
    #6 - 2012-10-31 19:09:03 UTC
    Time on your hands. You have too much.

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    Xercodo
    Cruor Angelicus
    #7 - 2012-10-31 19:11:32 UTC
    What I find interesting is that on this one ( http://i.imgur.com/0XvUG.jpg ) the FPS spike on the Windows 7 version changed the scale of the FPS graph and makes it look totally different hehe.

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    Liaria Cullen
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    #8 - 2012-10-31 19:13:30 UTC
    Corina Jarr wrote:
    With that setup you likely won't notice much of a difference. The larger differences would be more noticeable on higher systems.



    On a side note, I almost hope Windows 8 fails for PCs... its a mobile OS, pretending to be for a desktop.


    As a student in a computing course, i also get free OS installs from microsoft, and actually got an early access to windows 8.
    And for the most part i've completely avoided upgrading to it from windows 7, however three of my classmates all upgraded to windows 8 (all of whome were in the same mindset as yourself and i) and all of them have told me it's fantastic, easy to use and actually makes the PC run faster.
    Logix42
    Taxation Damnation
    #9 - 2012-10-31 19:14:02 UTC
    Xercodo wrote:
    What I find interesting is that on this one ( http://i.imgur.com/0XvUG.jpg ) the FPS spike on the Windows 7 version changed the scale of the FPS graph and makes it look totally different hehe.

    Ya that's from the Alt-Tab step, I was quite surprised when it didn't happen in Windows 8.

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    Arduemont
    The State of War.
    #10 - 2012-10-31 19:15:19 UTC
    A useful, applicable, thoughtful thread with intelligent OP.

    This is unacceptable.

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    Crrrazy Ivan
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    #11 - 2012-10-31 19:27:39 UTC
    Liaria Cullen wrote:
    Corina Jarr wrote:
    With that setup you likely won't notice much of a difference. The larger differences would be more noticeable on higher systems.



    On a side note, I almost hope Windows 8 fails for PCs... its a mobile OS, pretending to be for a desktop.


    As a student in a computing course, i also get free OS installs from microsoft, and actually got an early access to windows 8.
    And for the most part i've completely avoided upgrading to it from windows 7, however three of my classmates all upgraded to windows 8 (all of whome were in the same mindset as yourself and i) and all of them have told me it's fantastic, easy to use and actually makes the PC run faster.


    Likewise. As a student studying a computing based course (Software Engineering) we have been given access to Windows 8 and various other Microsoft software. I was originally very reluctant to install Windows 8 however, after several of my classmates decided to install it they claim it is very to use and despite being rather small, Windows 8 has increased their Laptop performance. Nevertheless, I am still rather reluctant to install it (Windows 7 works fine so why bother?) however, it is probably only a matter of time before I bite the bullet.
    Steve Ronuken
    Fuzzwork Enterprises
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    #12 - 2012-10-31 19:31:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Steve Ronuken
    Running it here.

    Only problem I had was with a driver for my laptop video card (It was an ATI one). The official AMD one worked with no problem. The one that windows update installed made it constantly crash Sad

    (Shift+f8 to get into recovery. rolled back and disabled that update. everything is now fine)

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    Fodan
    Phoenix Ashes Inc.
    #13 - 2012-10-31 20:01:10 UTC
    Liaria Cullen wrote:
    And for the most part i've completely avoided upgrading to it from windows 7, however three of my classmates all upgraded to windows 8 (all of whome were in the same mindset as yourself and i) and all of them have told me it's fantastic, easy to use and actually makes the PC run faster.


    This tbh

    Wasn't originally very keen from what I'd read / heard, but after seeing a lot of positive feedback I took the cheap upgrade offer - actually glad I did - its better than Win7, nicer to use and faster.
    Steve Ronuken
    Fuzzwork Enterprises
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    #14 - 2012-10-31 20:18:26 UTC
    It's been said that the upgrade offer website has /no/ validation.

    So you can put in your details, and get an upgrade code, which gives a £10 discount. (probably not wise to do for an xp or vista machine.)

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    Logix42
    Taxation Damnation
    #15 - 2012-11-02 03:28:37 UTC
    I'm going to keep the Windows 8 installation on a separate partition so if anyone wants me to try something with it in relation to Eve just let me know.

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    Pix Severus
    Empty You
    #16 - 2012-11-02 03:36:50 UTC
    Take Win7, make a few tweaks, add a tablet UI, and you get Win8.

    The only benefit I've heard anyone say that Win8 has is that it boots up faster than Win7, but considering my PC is on 24/7, that makes no difference to me.

    I think I'll skip this one.

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    Surfin's PlunderBunny
    Sebiestor Tribe
    Minmatar Republic
    #17 - 2012-11-02 03:47:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
    I'm using Windows 8 (got a new pc and everything! It haz lights in it! Big smile) and I'm finding no problems other than the horrid getting used to a new interface that's pretty much the same but different enough to be irritating.

    Also 1 click access to my very... particular pron collection (no worries! It might be disturbing but it's all 100% legal in this country)

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    Steve Ronuken
    Fuzzwork Enterprises
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    #18 - 2012-11-02 10:11:33 UTC
    Pix Severus wrote:
    Take Win7, make a few tweaks, add a tablet UI, and you get Win8.

    The only benefit I've heard anyone say that Win8 has is that it boots up faster than Win7, but considering my PC is on 24/7, that makes no difference to me.

    I think I'll skip this one.



    There are a whole bunch of changes under the hood, and the Metro apps have a permissions model that's more restrictive than most windows apps (which is good)

    http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/10/going-to-work-with-windows-8-enterprise/

    covers some of them.

    (Windows to go sounds interesting. Though not too viable without USB3)

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    Mars Theran
    Foreign Interloper
    #19 - 2012-11-02 12:10:47 UTC
    I never got down to the specifics of performance between the two, but I didn't see any difference in game either. My PC is such however, that I likely wouldn't be much affected by it.

    I simply don't like Windows 8 much because they turned it into a Console. It's like having a PS3 OS on my PC with as much limited functionality. I like PC for more reasons than that I can play games on it. I did think it was a very smooth platform for playing games though, provided you created game shortcuts on your desktop and never bothered with the 'start' page except to click on desktop.
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    Alice Saki
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    #20 - 2012-11-02 12:14:41 UTC
    It's Windows always Skip a Gen.

    Don't get Win8

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