EVE General Discussion

because look at what happened when test/goons started fighting in the south in the summer, **** all happened during eu timezone aside from a few drake fleets. being an eu player i rapidly lost interest in jump cloning for 1 fleet that did almost nothing and then being stuck there unable to do anything useful so i went back to high sec.

null is vastly overrated.

You're wrong. No one hates "miners". Like I told someone else, I could hardly dislike people who imaginary laser imaginary rocks when one of my favorite pass-times in game is Imaginary Autocannoning imaginary sanshas lol.

What we hate is the small vocal minority of miners (and other types, mostly high sec dwellers but also a variety of "null-bearS" who complain about things like AFK Cloaking lol) who somehow feel entitled to take actions that negatively affect other people in the multiplayer game (such as mining, every mineral they mine lowers the value of everything everyone else has mined), but feel slighted, abused and insulted when anyone so much as dares do anything negative to them (like ganking them or bumping them).

Even worse, they have tools at their disposal to prevent/lessen/mitigate the actions other people can take against them (tanking their ship giving up a small amount of yeild, cooperative play with others such as getting friend with logistics ships, or even simple thing like actually being at their computer and orbiting/moving...) but rather than do those things, they come to the forums and claim they will unsub their14,000 accounts if CCP doesn't DO SOMETHING.

If you look in a dictionary for the phrase "have your cake and eat it too", their is probably a picture of a Hulk from EVE shooting lasers at rocks....

It's the insane and illogical attitude we dislike, not the actual space....

I only hate bad miners.

The kind miner that thinks AFK mining in an Orca with mining drones is a good mining. The kind of miner that complains about not being able to get his standings up because he's having problems doing level 2 missions in a Rail Rokh.
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BAD

I'm glad his two Hulks and Raven exploded.

There once was sandpit.

Heaps of children played, grade 3's to grade 7. Ocassionally fights broke out over buckets and spades but it was not much to worry about. Sometimes the grade 7's would get silly and push over sandcastles and break the buckets but it was all good fun.

Then one day a group from the local high school turned up. A very large group. They got into the sandpit and beat the children, sparing no-one. They broke their spades. They broke their buckets. The children howled. They cried.

Because the children had no other sandpit to play in they came back next day, battered but alive and started to play. The gang arrived and the children were beaten again, each time more vicious. If the children howled they were beaten harder and harder still. This went on for weeks. The children were distraught. They were told to make their buckets stronger, to use smaller spades and they would be spared. Some tried and were beaten anyway.

The police were finally called. They arrived with batons and guns. The leader of the high school gang was taken away for being particularly nasty. He spent 30 days in jail.

While in jail he hatched a plan. He was angry. His life was a mess, his high school was a mess. Everything he touched broke. But it was not his fault. The children in the sandpit were to blame.

When he got out of jail, he and his gang went back to the sandpit. The police were still there. He and his gang won't beat or shout at the policemen because they are armed. They will take them to jail. They will hurt them.

They tried to get in the sandpit, they hurt a few more children but the children did not howl as loud. Some even laughed at the high school gang. They had new buckets and better spades. Even the policemen laughed at the gang.

Today, the high school students, less in number now, still stand outside the sandpit shouting at the children. Some of the grade 7's know they will be high school soon and have joined the high school gang. They need friends. They don't know the gang leader or why he is angry. They just shout at the small children because they think it is funny.

They are all in fact shouting at the policemen, trying to tell them their high school is broken. The policemen are trying to listen but they don't know what to do. All the high school children are yelling all at once. Blaming the children in the sand pit and yelling about their high school, all at the same time.

The children stand, not sure what to do. They just want their sandpit back. But they have been told if they get back in the sandpit that they will be beaten.

They are asking why they have to be beaten just to play in the sandpit. It's called whining. Or so the high school gang says anyway.

..oo00oo..

the vast majority of people have nothing against mining.
For the longest time mining ships were expensive and very easy to suicide gank in highec for almost no money, CCP fixed this and people Q_Q about it now, it was a change long needed and coming.
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in itself, the only real fault with mining is that it is boring, many things were suggested to fix it but most ruin 1 or 2 things about the task. If you make it harder, mineral prices rise, if you add silly mini games, then they cannot watch for their own safety, remove afk mining and ice products and owning a POS will be much more expensive. CCP mentioning "ring mining" feature for a future expansion, but this might have nothing to do with mining itself, but mining for moon minerals...

That's an interesting analogy. However, the problem with it is that EVE isn't actually a literal sandbox. You're not supposed to just build stuff. Knocking castles down and smashing the other players is a part of the game, and that's why people complain when the 'police' prevent it from happening.

Because miners have an infinite number of targets to shoot, that never shoot back, and always give loot.
This enrages those who fail to properly worship the loot gods and make movements to bring in prey.

OR

It is all very Freudian what with the miners drilling into asteroids and pulling out large amounts of ISK.
This enrages the PVPers who being of a conservative mindset believe such matters should not be done on such a large scale.

Schoolyard bullies are always able to pick out the weakest from the herd. Really funny that they're only big and tough on the schoolyard.

Quietly deposited within that analogy is why the high school gang isn't beating up the kids in the sandpit at the high school? Perhaps if the highschool had "a better sandpit" then the gang have no need for the one where the little tackers are.

So much of the angst and supposed "Eve is dying" is built around an idealogy that may/may not have the relevance it once had.

Can there in fact be 2 sandpits? (someone even posted using the term "2 tier system" in another thread). Do we need to start considering that as a possibility - stepping back from the beliigerent IT MUST BE doctrine we get so used to hearing.

Is CCP already doing this inadvertently/deliberately?

Good to see an CFC poster using their brains. Refreshing.