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Everybody is doing freighter ganks in High Sec now ...

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usrevenge
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2012-10-30 21:51:17 UTC
freighter ganking isn't a problem, the simple defense is don't put 5bil in a freighter.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-10-30 21:53:54 UTC
Andski wrote:
Qin Tawate wrote:
High sec was made for stupid peeps or call them Noobs or Rookies or whatever. If we all were so experienced, we would not need a high sec.

Escorts or avoid running a freighter through Niarja or Uedama or other dangerous 0.5 systems, then you do not need High Sec.


yeah those poor rookies moving 30b isk in their freighters :(


Would I teach people better to stop being stupid by training for a Talos to join some ganker group instead of stating the obvious on the forum over and over again?
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-10-30 21:55:41 UTC
Qin Tawate wrote:

Frostys Virpio wrote:


No nerf are needed at all. People just need to stop being stupid with thier stuff.


High sec was made for stupid peeps or call them Noobs or Rookies or whatever. If we all were so experienced, we would not need a high sec.

Escorts or avoid running a freighter through Niarja or Uedama or other dangerous 0.5 systems, then you do not need High Sec.

No one flying a frieghter is inexperienced. If you haven't learned anything in a couple of months of skill training, your only excuse is a lack of intelligence.

And the character bazzar is no excuse.
Qin Tawate
Doomheim
#24 - 2012-10-30 21:56:16 UTC
Andski wrote:
Qin Tawate wrote:
High sec was made for stupid peeps or call them Noobs or Rookies or whatever. If we all were so experienced, we would not need a high sec.

Escorts or avoid running a freighter through Niarja or Uedama or other dangerous 0.5 systems, then you do not need High Sec.


yeah those poor rookies moving 30b isk in their freighters :(


This week nobody killed a freighter with 30b ISK loaded. So much for that... The average was more like 5 billion ISK, including the worth of the freighter.

There are many high sec players, who play this game just time to time. How old your character is, does not say how often you played it or how intensive. Even if you are not a Noob, if you know, what can happen, you do not do it. In the end it is at least annoying, because it means a waste of time to avoid dangerous systems or split freighter loads, because more and more groups want to get their share of these easy freighter suicide ganks. I do it too. I just saw on eve-kill.net this is spreading around. It is no more just in Niarja or Uedama, no more just one or two big alliances.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-10-30 21:56:37 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
No nerf are needed at all. People just need to stop being stupid with thier stuff.

And I don't see CCP nerfing this because people refuse to accept that EVE, in some situations, expects you to actually play with other people.

That's what some people tried to say about the hulks/mackinaws earlier.

They were wrong.

I can't afford to be pessimistic.
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#26 - 2012-10-30 22:01:10 UTC
usrevenge wrote:
freighter ganking isn't a problem, the simple defense is don't put 5bil in a freighter.



Anytime someone tries to convince you of a 'simple answer' in EVE it's a scam.

It doesn't cost 5 billion to gank a freighter, not even close. The trouble with frieghters is, Inertia and mass mean nothing unless it's to make the ship clumsy.

Yes, I am talking about the ancient art of bumping.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-10-30 22:02:11 UTC
Qin Tawate wrote:
Andski wrote:
Qin Tawate wrote:
High sec was made for stupid peeps or call them Noobs or Rookies or whatever. If we all were so experienced, we would not need a high sec.

Escorts or avoid running a freighter through Niarja or Uedama or other dangerous 0.5 systems, then you do not need High Sec.


yeah those poor rookies moving 30b isk in their freighters :(


This week nobody killed a freighter with 30b ISK loaded. So much for that... The average was more like 5 billion ISK, including the worth of the freighter.

There are many high sec players, who play this game just time to time. How old your character is, does not say how often you played it or how intensive. Even if you are not a Noob, if you know, what can happen, you do not do it. In the end it is at least annoying, because it means a waste of time to avoid dangerous systems or split freighter loads, because more and more groups want to get their share of these easy freighter suicide ganks. I do it too. I just saw on eve-kill.net this is spreading around. It is no more just in Niarja or Uedama, no more just one or two big alliances.


That only mean there was still too much value in the hold when the total goes to 5 bill. It's using the ship the wrong way.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#28 - 2012-10-30 22:04:05 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
No nerf are needed at all. People just need to stop being stupid with thier stuff.

And I don't see CCP nerfing this because people refuse to accept that EVE, in some situations, expects you to actually play with other people.

That's what some people tried to say about the hulks/mackinaws earlier.

They were wrong.

I can't afford to be pessimistic.

I'd love optimism, too, but it's so rarely justified that if I go out with it, someone will gank me.

(Until the ganking gets nerfed, then I can autopilot my Pithi A-type Optimism all I please)

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-10-30 22:38:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Qin Tawate wrote:
This week nobody killed a freighter with 30b ISK loaded. So much for that... The average was more like 5 billion ISK, including the worth of the freighter.

There are many high sec players, who play this game just time to time. How old your character is, does not say how often you played it or how intensive. Even if you are not a Noob, if you know, what can happen, you do not do it. In the end it is at least annoying, because it means a waste of time to avoid dangerous systems or split freighter loads, because more and more groups want to get their share of these easy freighter suicide ganks. I do it too. I just saw on eve-kill.net this is spreading around. It is no more just in Niarja or Uedama, no more just one or two big alliances.


I hope you're not saying that the game should be changed to suit those who just play Skill Queues Online and don't bother to use common sense in a goddamn PvP game.

Also, you have too much faith in the ISK values that killboards generate.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#30 - 2012-10-30 22:52:23 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
No nerf are needed at all. People just need to stop being stupid with thier stuff.

And I don't see CCP nerfing this because people refuse to accept that EVE, in some situations, expects you to actually play with other people.

That's what some people tried to say about the hulks/mackinaws earlier.

They were wrong.

I can't afford to be pessimistic.

I'd love optimism, too, but it's so rarely justified that if I go out with it, someone will gank me.

(Until the ganking gets nerfed, then I can autopilot my Pithi A-type Optimism all I please)

Was thinking more of a personal need in real life that tends to carry over into other things.

Shutting down my optimism in EVE could have dire impact on my real life. Like freighter ganking, it's obviously having a dire impact on the emotions of other people, and severe emotional distress tends to lead to people doing drastic things.

Like crying on a forum.


Or maybe some people just have very little dignity and self respect.
Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
#31 - 2012-10-30 22:53:15 UTC
Why do people insist on griefing noobs in this game? Sad

First it was those poor noobs in 300mil hulks and now these poor, poor newbies in freighters transporting their nooby 10s of billions. Sad
Lord Calus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2012-10-30 22:56:03 UTC
Abloo bloo bloo abloo!!!! ABLOO!!!
Rengerel en Distel
#33 - 2012-10-30 22:56:28 UTC
Crimewatch will fix it. If not, Crimewatch will fix it.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
Qin Tawate
Doomheim
#34 - 2012-10-30 23:14:58 UTC

I know, I upset Goons, when I argue their suicide gank freighter business is so easy, that everybody is imitating it. You do not want it too easy? Fix it. You want easy profit - dont fix it. You cant argue stupid ppl should learn. There will be always more stupid people in this world than smart people like in this game.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#35 - 2012-10-30 23:19:41 UTC
Qin Tawate wrote:

... which is usually a sign like when everybody did Incursions or FW cycling and so on. If everybody is doing it and it was not quite intended that way, it will get nerfed soon.

In the last months Bat Country and some other high sec suicide gankers made a fortune ganking freighters in Niarja and Uedama. Now you see more and more other groups doing it also in other 0.5 systems after they found out, how easy it is.




Let me add:

Ghost training - working as intended until everyone started doing i t = nerfbat
Nano HACs - working as intended until everyone started doing it = nerf-o-rama
Ganking miners - working as intended until everyone started doing it = nerfageddon
Incursion farming - working as intended until everyone started doing it = deep space nerf

I can cite plenty more examples of the CCP way of things, but you get the idea.

So now we have a toss-up for next nerf. Miner bumping vs freighter ganking.

I'm inclined to go with the ganking as changing the bumping mechanic is a major overhaul that is unlikely to happen any time soon.

But I can assure the naysayers, it is coming.

Mr Epeen Cool
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-10-30 23:42:04 UTC
Qin Tawate wrote:

I know, I upset Goons, when I argue their suicide gank freighter business is so easy, that everybody is imitating it. You do not want it too easy? Fix it. You want easy profit - dont fix it. You cant argue stupid ppl should learn. There will be always more stupid people in this world than smart people like in this game.


You do realise even if they quadrupled the EHP of freighter there would still be some profitable gank to do right?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#37 - 2012-10-30 23:42:58 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Qin Tawate wrote:

I know, I upset Goons, when I argue their suicide gank freighter business is so easy, that everybody is imitating it. You do not want it too easy? Fix it. You want easy profit - dont fix it. You cant argue stupid ppl should learn. There will be always more stupid people in this world than smart people like in this game.

You do realise even if they quadrupled the EHP of freighter there would still be some profitable gank to do right?

Gonna need to increase it by more than 4x then.

How does ... 10x sound?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#38 - 2012-10-30 23:46:58 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Qin Tawate wrote:

I know, I upset Goons, when I argue their suicide gank freighter business is so easy, that everybody is imitating it. You do not want it too easy? Fix it. You want easy profit - dont fix it. You cant argue stupid ppl should learn. There will be always more stupid people in this world than smart people like in this game.

You do realise even if they quadrupled the EHP of freighter there would still be some profitable gank to do right?

Gonna need to increase it by more than 4x then.

How does ... 10x sound?


Well to get the right number, divide the breaking point for profitable gank with the crazyest one ever made. I don't know the actual number but I think 10 is still too low.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2012-10-30 23:49:34 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Qin Tawate wrote:

... which is usually a sign like when everybody did Incursions or FW cycling and so on. If everybody is doing it and it was not quite intended that way, it will get nerfed soon.

In the last months Bat Country and some other high sec suicide gankers made a fortune ganking freighters in Niarja and Uedama. Now you see more and more other groups doing it also in other 0.5 systems after they found out, how easy it is.




Let me add:

Ghost training - working as intended until everyone started doing i t = nerfbat
Nano HACs - working as intended until everyone started doing it = nerf-o-rama
Ganking miners - working as intended until everyone started doing it = nerfageddon
Incursion farming - working as intended until everyone started doing it = deep space nerf

Highsec manufacturing - working as intended until everyone started doing it =

hmmmm... Blink
Lord Calus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2012-10-31 00:48:57 UTC
I got it guise! We make everyone in the game not able to be destroyed!! Everywhere is safe!!

Then when you can engage in a "duel" where if your ship goes down to boom boom level it gets fully repaired and it says in local "So and so has won a duel against herp da derp!"

We can even have "battlegrounds" where you get a free supply of rifters to e-bushido it out against the other people.

Then we can have a "ladder system" and you can get "arena points" when you win or do real real swell.

Then the ebil goosn will get sick of the carebear land we have created and we can live free from the goosn!!

Free iskies for everywon and no-one ever has to lose a ship ever again to the ebil goosn!!