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High Sec will burn

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General Nusense
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-10-30 22:04:43 UTC
This will happen. Probably in the next year or less. Here is why.


If you look at todays influence map you will realize that its pretty much Goonswarm and Pets with some pockets of resistance. Well Ladies and Gentleman, Its about to become all blue from east to west, from north to south. At the current rate of expansion the southern pets will be pushing up to Solar space while the northern pets, with the 50 token GSF pilots in fleet, will push through to Geminate. This will leave just Goonswarm + pets in the north, Goonswarm Pet and PL meatshield TEST in the south and Solar in the east. Since TEST is still Blue to GoonSwarm Federation MK III this will create the "Sea of Blue" or "No targets left except in empire".

Lately TEST has been doing the Goon "MiniLuv' freighter ganks in the south. When asked about it, it was said that "empire pubbies sorta fight back" and "we really dont do much except blob a system to death and get no fights". The Ice interdiction, Hulkageddon and the Burn Jita events were to give Goon+Pets targets to shoot at. With the coming of the "Age of Blue" their efforts are going to be focused on Empire, where most of the player base lives.

Now you might be saying "Why would Goonswarm care about Empire when all they say is 'Empire is for pubbies, Null Sec is the only way to play EvE Online'", The reason is because they will not have anything to do in null sec except be carebears. Which they pretty much are. They are pretty much being forced to fight for Vale of the Silent even when most of Goonswarm is ratting in Deklien and laughing at their pets taking space and moons and not getting anything in return.

Since this is a "Sandbox" game, CCP will not do anything to limit the size of Blue Lists or numbers of people in alliances. WIth the war dec mechanics in place it is so expensive to war dec any of the bigger alliances you just end up being a sitting target. With the amount of people under the GoonSwarm umbrella they can Gank you all day long and you cant really do anything about it. Except to stay docked or not log in. Which is how the Goonswarm tactic works.

In closing,


Eve is dieing and will be a ghost universe in the near future.

Made a signature so I am taken seriously on the forums, since thats the only thing they are good for.

Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#2 - 2012-10-30 22:07:16 UTC
I think you forgot to factor server population into your calculations.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#3 - 2012-10-30 22:07:28 UTC
General Nusense wrote:
Since this is a "Sandbox" game, CCP will not do anything to limit the size of Blue Lists or numbers of people in alliances. WIth the war dec mechanics in place it is so expensive to war dec any of the bigger alliances you just end up being a sitting target. With the amount of people under the GoonSwarm umbrella they can Gank you all day long and you cant really do anything about it. Except to stay docked or not log in. Which is how the Goonswarm tactic works.

I hope that ganking will be appropriately nerfed the the future to prevent this deathspiral.

Heck, there's no such thing as over-nerfing ganking, since you can still gank in Jita. More ... drastic ... steps may be required.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-10-30 22:07:47 UTC
hey, this topic again.

didn't read it btw. because we know that eve is dying since 2003.

Don't be scared, because being afk is not a crime.

Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#5 - 2012-10-30 22:10:53 UTC
Yeah, those big bad guys in 0.0 are going to totally show hisec what's what. Lol

Like Burn Jita, they'll find Hisec to be quite a different place then they imagined during the planning phase.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi

Albrecht Valentyn
Rui Freelance Mining
#6 - 2012-10-30 22:11:17 UTC
Can it please happen after I transport my plex in my Burst.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#7 - 2012-10-30 22:11:46 UTC
Burn highsec thread.... yawn.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#8 - 2012-10-30 22:12:18 UTC
Good. If the goons can blue all of null maybe having every other developer and gaming magazine pointing and laughing at CCPs mis-management of their game will compel them to make space people actually want.

Godspeed goons.

Signatures should be used responsibly...

Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#9 - 2012-10-30 22:13:17 UTC
We hope you enjoy Serentity Server 2
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#10 - 2012-10-30 22:16:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Bane Necran
Gogela wrote:
If the goons can blue all of null


0.0 still won't matter to the majority of players who live in hisec, so it won't really hurt the game that much. But i do agree it might force the devs to take a good hard look at things.

What you will see with all of 0.0 blue, is them having no one to screw with but hisec, which is how things have been developing already.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi

Clystan
Binaerie Heavy Industries
#11 - 2012-10-30 22:17:01 UTC
I am setting up a bunch of GSC's with the password "IQUIT" at gates throughout the universe. These provide an easy way for people to donate all their stuff to a good cause - me.

Thank you.
Dave stark
#12 - 2012-10-30 22:19:08 UTC
you think goons and friends won't reset each other just for ***** and giggles.

i'll wager they will.
Lord Calus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-10-30 22:20:36 UTC
Post on your real char or GTFO.

Sensing a great deal of NCdawt, prosu gosu ~elite pvp~, wulfpaxx, guudfites, anti-blob blob butthurt.
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#14 - 2012-10-30 22:22:32 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
you think goons and friends won't reset each other just for ***** and giggles.

i'll wager they will.



Agreed but if you look at NAP trains even those are have and have not's and we know how that will end.
usrevenge
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2012-10-30 22:22:44 UTC
wat?
lets say "highsec burns"
how long can that last? if every null alliance decides to gank all the highsec... then what. what happens when we run out of ships? do we stop? if so, is it hard to believe mining could become 100% no joke the best isk/hour ratio for income, wouldn't trit and pyerite be over 10/20 isk each?

this is probably the 3rd time since I started eve that "insert coalition here" will take over nullsec and never be stopped.

also, I know people don't understand this, but CFC and HBC are not blue to each other, last I checked it is ONLY test and ONLY GSF that are blue to each other, this means anyone else in the HBC can be killed by goons, and anyone else in CFC can be killed by test.

also, it is always possible the new gypsy coalition will become a new super power, so many things happen in null one minute you can be the most powerful alliance, the next you can forget to pay the sov bill.
Soon Shin
Scarlet Weather Rhapsody
#16 - 2012-10-30 22:22:45 UTC
Old news. Its been burning for a while now.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#17 - 2012-10-30 22:28:15 UTC
usrevenge wrote:
so many things happen in null one minute you can be the most powerful alliance, the next you can forget to pay the sov bill.

Yeah, about sov bills ... or kicking your sov holding corp ... or having a director push your disband button ...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Doomheim
#18 - 2012-10-30 22:33:09 UTC
Clystan
Binaerie Heavy Industries
#19 - 2012-10-30 22:36:37 UTC
Buying marshmallow futures now...
Kinis Deren
Mosquito Squadron
D0GS OF WAR
#20 - 2012-10-30 22:59:54 UTC
Whilst I don't hold to the same view as OP as to the future of the game, his post does seem to ask (reading between the lines) the following question ...

Is high sec the obvious home of emergent gameplay?

The only thing I can recall null/low producing on a macro level, since I started to play, is OTEC and the FW LP farming. vOv
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