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Miners Unite to Fight the New Order!

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#541 - 2012-10-30 17:17:12 UTC
Anslo wrote:
When was the last time high sec gankers united over anything? Hell when has anyone in Eve ever "united" when they aren't in the same corp or alliance? Should the miners all join one corp or alliance then? Would make deccing them all the much easier wouldn't it?

As you can see, the miners are continually shafted.

Nobody in high sec unites ever. The New Order is a myth.

Also, there's that victim complex again.

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Ghazu
#542 - 2012-10-30 17:19:54 UTC
So they refuse to unite or even lift a finger, what does that tell you about non-agressors -the miners? :ook at the title of this thread, was it some troll joke?

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#543 - 2012-10-30 17:21:28 UTC
Anslo wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Anslo wrote:
When was the last time high sec gankers united over anything?


Two ice interdictions, many hulkageddons, burn jita, summer of rage ect.


Which were all aggressor type events. When was the last time they united to defend themselves against something (that didn't have to do with monocolgate. That wasn't just gankers, that was everyone, miners included).



Irrelevant: No one has worked up the courage or the methodology to sustain an attack on them, therefore a united front has never been necessary.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#544 - 2012-10-30 17:24:26 UTC
Anslo wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Anslo wrote:
When was the last time high sec gankers united over anything?


Two ice interdictions, many hulkageddons, burn jita, summer of rage ect.


Which were all aggressor type events. When was the last time they united to defend themselves against something (that didn't have to do with monocolgate. That wasn't just gankers, that was everyone, miners included).


Whenever bears try to get something nerfed so they can be 100% safe.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#545 - 2012-10-30 17:25:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
CCP has to buff mining ships because they believe highsec miners will unsub before learning to tank their ships

*miners claim victory*
Ghazu
#546 - 2012-10-30 17:27:01 UTC
How do you take these miners seriously when upon receiving the ehp buff they proceeded to whine about their balanced cargohold size.

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#547 - 2012-10-30 17:27:23 UTC
Anslo wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Anslo wrote:
When was the last time high sec gankers united over anything?


Two ice interdictions, many hulkageddons, burn jita, summer of rage ect.


Which were all aggressor type events.

And?
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#548 - 2012-10-30 17:27:38 UTC
ugh at 100% safe, I currently live in hisec, the day that it becomes 100% safe is the day I ship all my worldly goods into the nearest lo/null system and go out in a blaze of glory before I either unsub or become a full time really bad PvP pilot.

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Buck Badger
Aliastra
#549 - 2012-10-30 17:50:43 UTC
Ghazu wrote:
Hey guys guys guys let's get back to topic, I thought this thread was about the miners getting organized, that they were going to "do something" in-game for once but looks like they are just going do what worked last time.


Ignore the problem while non-miners post on mining alts to make it look like someone cares? Trolls trolling trolls.

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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#550 - 2012-10-30 17:57:41 UTC
Buck Badger wrote:

Ignore the problem while non-miners post on mining alts
wat
Robert De'Arneth
#551 - 2012-10-30 17:59:22 UTC
Ghazu wrote:
So they refuse to unite or even lift a finger, what does that tell you about non-agressors -the miners? :ook at the title of this thread, was it some troll joke?



Maybe there is no reason to unite? Your bumping will never effect anything but a few idiots. I know you all want to feel self important, but lets face it, you will never do anything to stop mining, afk or at the key board. You guys act like you can make people pay you, when in fact you can do nothing at all. Emergant game play, hahahahhahhahaha. You are good for laughs, that I will give you.

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Kult Altol
The Safe Space
#552 - 2012-10-30 19:29:12 UTC
Miners gonna mine, nothing you can do to stop us.

I mined allllllll day last Saturday, next to Jita.

and the isk was delicious, almost as much as your tears.

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#553 - 2012-10-30 19:40:57 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Andski wrote:
yeah I remember that scene in 300 where King Leonidas whined to the devs about the Persians unfairly extorting him and griefing him

Nice twist. But really, Leonidas was free to kick the Persian's arse without getting Concordokkened, with all of them in the same corp, same place, and ready to go. We need to give miners the same 'kick' ability Blink (THIS IS VELDSPAR!)

I don't know if you remember, but the Spartans at Thermopylae actually all died. That seems pretty similar to CONCORD to me.


Yet they came back and continued to dominate afterwards.


Unfortunately, no, the spartans did not come back from the dead. Funnily enough though, that does happen in EVE

So um what was your point again


Not to sound critical but that battle at Thermopylae started with over 7000 greeks. The 300 that stayed behind was a rear guard action so the rest could escape. I know bc its on tv or the movies or written on the web most of you basement dwelling trolls thinks it has to be true but its not.

Just like these forums.... Bc someone wrote it doesnt make it valid
Yuri Wayfare
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
#554 - 2012-10-30 19:49:49 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:

You are a deviant mastermind, do you have a white cat and a volcano lair?


No...

Doctor No!


Anslo wrote:
Also, please don't use the "oh the miners should unite" reasoning. When was the last time high sec gankers united over anything? Hell when has anyone in Eve ever "united" when they aren't in the same corp or alliance? Should the miners all join one corp or alliance then? Would make deccing them all the much easier wouldn't it?


And so we come to the heart of the matter. A simple lack of willpower and imagination.

The ghosts of 300 Spartans are laughing their asses off at you Roll

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Hans Zwaardhandler
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The Initiative.
#555 - 2012-10-30 20:06:57 UTC
Anti-social Tendencies wrote:
Hans Zwaardhandler wrote:
Again, I'll ask why is it that people just don't move to another system with their precious ice and ore belts? There are dozens in Caldari space to chose from, and even if they are a bit further ways out from Jita, they are quieter aren't they?


Not all that many systems with Ice in them. Very few that are convenient to where I run other operations. So I mine where it is convenient for me. The environment does help determine the level of convenience and bumpers are a part (small and insignificant part) of that environment.


Dotlan lists almost 13 ice belts in the Forge alone; that's not counting ice belts in all the neighbouring regions of Jita. Surely if the New Order is bothering you that much, you can mine elsewhere and either buy a freighter to haul your load to Jita, or purchase Red Frog Transport, yes?
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#556 - 2012-10-30 20:27:43 UTC
Hans Zwaardhandler wrote:

Dotlan lists almost 13 ice belts in the Forge alone; that's not counting ice belts in all the neighbouring regions of Jita. Surely if the New Order is bothering you that much, you can mine elsewhere and either buy a freighter to haul your load to Jita, or purchase Red Frog Transport, yes?


That would require both effort and the spending of ISK, both of which are anathema to some players.

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GoonWaffe
#557 - 2012-10-30 20:35:58 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Hans Zwaardhandler wrote:

Dotlan lists almost 13 ice belts in the Forge alone; that's not counting ice belts in all the neighbouring regions of Jita. Surely if the New Order is bothering you that much, you can mine elsewhere and either buy a freighter to haul your load to Jita, or purchase Red Frog Transport, yes?


That would require both effort and the spending of ISK, both of which are anathema to some players.

Effort is seriously annoying. I could do with less effort, thanks.

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Moonlit Raid
Doomheim
#558 - 2012-10-30 21:10:41 UTC
Hans Zwaardhandler wrote:
Anti-social Tendencies wrote:
Hans Zwaardhandler wrote:
Again, I'll ask why is it that people just don't move to another system with their precious ice and ore belts? There are dozens in Caldari space to chose from, and even if they are a bit further ways out from Jita, they are quieter aren't they?


Not all that many systems with Ice in them. Very few that are convenient to where I run other operations. So I mine where it is convenient for me. The environment does help determine the level of convenience and bumpers are a part (small and insignificant part) of that environment.


Dotlan lists almost 13 ice belts in the Forge alone; that's not counting ice belts in all the neighbouring regions of Jita. Surely if the New Order is bothering you that much, you can mine elsewhere and either buy a freighter to haul your load to Jita, or purchase Red Frog Transport, yes?

Or ditch an annoying game mechanic?

If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.

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HollyShocker 2inthestink
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#559 - 2012-10-30 21:12:08 UTC
Some Rando wrote:
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
They have sp set to indy not pvp and the ships are indy ships not pvp.

That's no one's fault but the miner's.

HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
People come here and try to place all the miners in the same catagory to justify their own ignorance and bias and hatred for a type of game play they dont like or understand.

This type of of ignorance can be found in abundance in real life and not just in this game.

This is awesome. It's almost as if you're trying to paint miners as RL minorities. The difference is that one is playing a video game by choice and the other has to live it.


No this is not the miners fault. They cant fly a skiff unless they train for it. Do you want them to mine in a battleship?

Seems the people that are anti-miner dont want the miner to have a fair chance. They want to come here and say oh you can do this or you can do that or you should have fit this way or that.

Bottom line is the miner has to train SP in mining to be effective. They have to fly a skiff to mine. Some people want to be able to take advantage of their disadvantage. If they wanted FAIR pvp they would be in low/null where poeple are skilled and geared and fitted for pvp, not mining.

It would seem logical that MOST not all but most gankers are people that fail at pvp but still feel the need to be superior to someone, and that someone has to be the miner by process of elimination.

I blame CCP for not giving the miners the options or tools to field a fit that would allow a decent chance to fight back not just hope concord gets there in time.
Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#560 - 2012-10-30 21:19:41 UTC
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
I blame CCP for not giving the miners the options or tools to field a fit that would allow a decent chance to fight back not just hope concord gets there in time.

You're saying that people who train mining skills should be allowed to use weapons based on those mining skills? Or even that CCP should introduce a new mining barge that not only has an enormous EHP tank, but also has the fitting attributes for guns, drones, mining lasers and tanks?

And you wonder why miners are mocked?