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High Sec Missioning with 4 Accounts, how to split?
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Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#21 - 2012-10-26 17:58:47 UTC
I have 4 accounts and do this regularly. I run 2 BS with a logi for reps so the BS's can be DPS fit with minimal tank. The fourth follows in a noctis. When I do this completion times are insanely fast, but there is a lot of micro management involved.

What gets frustrating is when you get 5-6 easy level 4 missions in a row. No point in bringing the extra ships as it just slows you down.

I have more recently started running more level 5 missions as they are still quit easy with this set up. Problem is finding a quiet low sec area with level 5 agents.

I have tested this on duality with the new A.I. as the location is no longer an issue. However the new A.I. absolutely hates logi. And is very difficult to mange if your DPS is done with BS's. Unless the new A.I. is changed this tactic will no longer work as of Dec 4th.
Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#22 - 2012-10-26 18:21:09 UTC
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
I have 4 accounts and do this regularly. I run 2 BS with a logi for reps so the BS's can be DPS fit with minimal tank. The fourth follows in a noctis. When I do this completion times are insanely fast, but there is a lot of micro management involved.

What gets frustrating is when you get 5-6 easy level 4 missions in a row. No point in bringing the extra ships as it just slows you down.

I have more recently started running more level 5 missions as they are still quit easy with this set up. Problem is finding a quiet low sec area with level 5 agents.

I have tested this on duality with the new A.I. as the location is no longer an issue. However the new A.I. absolutely hates logi. And is very difficult to mange if your DPS is done with BS's. Unless the new A.I. is changed this tactic will no longer work as of Dec 4th.


Not sure what ships you using, but I have been training towards something similar. In HQ it looks like it would work if If you used a BS with 2 non dps high slots setting up a cap chain between the 3 ships, logi and 2 bs's, and fitting in the case of a shield fleet, shield transporters on the bs keep the logi alive.
I use a basilisk with 2 ravens, the basi pilot is logi 5 and has 2 cap transfers fitted, the ravens have 1 shield and 1 cap transfer fitted. All ships cap stable when chain is setup and the basilisk with both ravens shield RR has a tank of 850 dps. Cap chain is raven's to basi and basi has one each to ravens.
Haven't tested yet though.
GreenSeed
#23 - 2012-10-27 14:09:13 UTC
have your alts fly drone ships, and set the drones to "assist" your main, theres no limit to drones, unlike with the "assign" command, so you can have a machariel with 15 gardes as extra dps.

so long as the drone ships remain on grid it wont be a problem. and honestly even the upcoming NPC buff (probably one of the most ******** things ever) you can still use them, just warp in at 70km from your main and use bouncers instead of gardes.

just remember to fit your drone ships with plenty of drone damage mods - drone control range units and omni links. vexors are great for lvl5 missions, since they are pretty muchs disposable. and gilas are monsters for lvl4s, they can fit a mean active tank and hold any strays without having to warp off.

on some missions you can set the drones to "guard" instead of assist, something that has the drones autotarget for you. they will chew rooms in 1 - 2 minutes.


but in the end doing this for lvl4s is a waste unless you do it for the standing grind on alts. (you can clean lvl4 rooms in 2 - 3 minutes as opposed to the 8 - 12 minutes it could take with a solo ship.) if you are interested on the isk/h better get a swarm of drakes and do lvl5s, or a nighthawk and a lot of vexors.

even on populated lowsec systems people trend to stay away from a swarm of drakes.
Jaison Savrin
Brave Empire Inc.
Brave United
#24 - 2012-10-29 20:57:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaison Savrin
GreenSeed wrote:
have your alts fly drone ships, and set the drones to "assist" your main, theres no limit to drones, unlike with the "assign" command, so you can have a machariel with 15 gardes as extra dps.

so long as the drone ships remain on grid it wont be a problem. and honestly even the upcoming NPC buff (probably one of the most ******** things ever) you can still use them, just warp in at 70km from your main and use bouncers instead of gardes.

just remember to fit your drone ships with plenty of drone damage mods - drone control range units and omni links. vexors are great for lvl5 missions, since they are pretty muchs disposable. and gilas are monsters for lvl4s, they can fit a mean active tank and hold any strays without having to warp off.

on some missions you can set the drones to "guard" instead of assist, something that has the drones autotarget for you. they will chew rooms in 1 - 2 minutes.


but in the end doing this for lvl4s is a waste unless you do it for the standing grind on alts. (you can clean lvl4 rooms in 2 - 3 minutes as opposed to the 8 - 12 minutes it could take with a solo ship.) if you are interested on the isk/h better get a swarm of drakes and do lvl5s, or a nighthawk and a lot of vexors.

even on populated lowsec systems people trend to stay away from a swarm of drakes.



This could be fun with an RR domi to anchor like Ishtars or something. Fit them with minimal buffer tank and some cap transfers. Fit the Domi for cap stability and RR .... Drop sentry drones, anchor on Domi and just have it RR whatever is being targeted. Have it with a local tank too because why the heck not. It might be terrible but I bet it'd be fun. *runs off to EFT warrior it*


Edit: I saw the KMs just now and all I have to say is "FACTION FIT EVERYTHING!"
Fango Mango
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2012-10-30 20:32:44 UTC
Typhado3 wrote:

I'm going to have to disagree with 3 things here

1. 2-7 minutes to finish a lvl 5 with only 2 dps talos.
Most lvl 5 have 20 bs give or take a few plus support not the sort of thing your going to take out in 2 minutes. Let alone the ones with respawns that force your fleet to warp out or if they have carriers/freighters in the mission or multiple rooms and even more bs's. I can see maybe 15 minutes on some missions if you don't count looting or time to get there etc.

If you are spending more than 7 minutes on grid you are doing it wrong.
7 Missions can be completed by killing a single ship/structure
3 Missions can be completed by killing a small group 5-8 of ships
decline the rest . . .

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2. AF / exequor for tanking
I'm undecided on this one. A lot of these missions feature many bs's so speed is good and an exequor can put out enough reps to tank a fair amount of dps. The problem is a lot of these missions feature lots of elite frigates with webs and many feature neut batteries that prevent any ab/mwd plans you had. If you are getting webbed by a half dozen elite frigates those bs's are gonna tear you a new one. There's also the very very small buffer of a af which is bad if your fleet is a few seconds late in arriving or a new spawn shows up and you need to warp out but your af is scrambled. a t1 logistics cruiser is also very fragile and isn't gonna be able to help much if someone aside from the tank starts taking heavy damage.

It's potentially possible and if it works the reduced risk due to cost is well worth it, but a HIC would serve the tank roll much better and upgrading to a logistics may be worth it.

An Assault Frigate sitting still with a 400mm+3x Energized + 2x Armor Rig can TANK all the Damage with 4 T1 medium remote reps.

If you don't know how how to manage aggro a T2 logistics won't keep you alive. It will just cost more to replace.

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3. New AI is coming.
jumping into lvl 5's should deffinitely wait until after the AI and after you've figured out how it works and a way to deal with it in it's new form. Hopefully you can manage the agro properly and a setup like what's mentioned will work but we won't know till it's released and tested.

Agreed. Its going to take a little while to figure out how to do it. Stay tuned, we'll let you know as soon as we figure it out
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