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The Upcoming PI Changes
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Saphyrie
Nefantar Expeditionary Force
#1 - 2011-10-19 12:56:50 UTC
I gotta say, these changes stink. Just taking away more activities and putting it the hands of the huge alliances and pirates. Smaller fries need things to do, and lowsec PI is one of those things I like doing. But I guess thats over with now, I'm sure all the pirates will take over every lowsec planet and just let them sit there and rot unused.

Bad idea.

But CCP never listens, so I don't even know why I'm bothering to post.
DarkAegix
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2011-10-19 13:05:44 UTC
Saphyrie wrote:
I don't even know why I'm bothering to post.

Agreed.
Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
#3 - 2011-10-19 13:12:44 UTC
They're looking at it through the blinders of the people that made it (therefore it MUST be right!) and refusing to see the bigger picture of what the fallout will be. They're sadly incapable of stepping back and looking at it objectively and following the ripples out through the game. They desire a single effect, create something that they think will cause that effect, and fail to look outside that tunnel.

It makes me sad.

Six months in the hole... it changes a man.
XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#4 - 2011-10-19 13:14:35 UTC
Saphyrie wrote:
I gotta say, these changes stink. Just taking away more activities and putting it the hands of the huge alliances and pirates. Smaller fries need things to do, and lowsec PI is one of those things I like doing. But I guess thats over with now, I'm sure all the pirates will take over every lowsec planet and just let them sit there and rot unused.

Bad idea.

But CCP never listens, so I don't even know why I'm bothering to post.


Yeah cause low sec pirates don't like making money or anything. I'm sure they will all just put up customs offices and leave them there to rot.

Or maybe, now you won't be able to just ninja the products? Maybe now you'll have to, GASP, fight for control over the planets?

Effort is hard, amirite?
Saphyrie
Nefantar Expeditionary Force
#5 - 2011-10-19 13:36:12 UTC
XXSketchxx wrote:
Saphyrie wrote:
I gotta say, these changes stink. Just taking away more activities and putting it the hands of the huge alliances and pirates. Smaller fries need things to do, and lowsec PI is one of those things I like doing. But I guess thats over with now, I'm sure all the pirates will take over every lowsec planet and just let them sit there and rot unused.

Bad idea.

But CCP never listens, so I don't even know why I'm bothering to post.


Yeah cause low sec pirates don't like making money or anything. I'm sure they will all just put up customs offices and leave them there to rot.

Or maybe, now you won't be able to just ninja the products? Maybe now you'll have to, GASP, fight for control over the planets?

Effort is hard, amirite?

One person cant fight in this game. You lose everytime. This game is very unfriendly to solo pilots who don't wanna deal with other peoples drama and just wanna fly around and play the game by themselves, interacting with others only to buy/sell or chit-chat.

But I'll bet you my accounts, 95% of the lowsec planets will get a pirate customs offices that will NEVER SEE a single usage, just to block ninja PI'ers. How is that fair or even good for the game? Bad change. But whatever, there's more to do than stupid ol' PI. Just saddens me to see CCP taking more away from solo pilots.

Soon they'll remove the ability to even solo a mission, then I'll have nothing to do at all. Except mine, but they'll probably figure out a way to make that impossible to do solo too.
XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#6 - 2011-10-19 14:32:55 UTC
Saphyrie wrote:

One person cant fight in this game. You lose everytime. This game is very unfriendly to solo pilots who don't wanna deal with other peoples drama and just wanna fly around and play the game by themselves, interacting with others only to buy/sell or chit-chat.


Lmao. Its an MMO dude. Cooperation is encouraged. God forbid CCP reward cooperation over solo play. If you are so keen on being anti-social, then you don't deserve the increased rewards. Have fun in high sec.

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But I'll bet you my accounts, 95% of the lowsec planets will get a pirate customs offices that will NEVER SEE a single usage, just to block ninja PI'ers. How is that fair or even good for the game? Bad change. But whatever, there's more to do than stupid ol' PI. Just saddens me to see CCP taking more away from solo pilots.

Again, get friends and fight back. I know its hard having to put effort in, right?

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Soon they'll remove the ability to even solo a mission, then I'll have nothing to do at all. Except mine, but they'll probably figure out a way to make that impossible to do solo too.


Why do you even play this game if you just want to mission/mine/PI solo?
Saphyrie
Nefantar Expeditionary Force
#7 - 2011-10-19 14:57:15 UTC
XXSketchxx wrote:
Why do you even play this game if you just want to mission/mine/PI solo?

Because its fun. Duh?
Saphyrie
Nefantar Expeditionary Force
#8 - 2011-10-19 15:16:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Saphyrie
Believe it or not, different people play this game in different ways. Some people play the market, some people just build stuff. Some people PVP, some people are leaders and try to assemble large cooperation/alliances. And some people solo.

I'm sorry you personally don't approve of my way of playing the game, but then I think the guys in Rancer who sit there and just fire smartbombs all day on a gate are pretty ******** too. But I don't go and try to tell them how or how not to play EVE.

Maybe you should learn to respect and accept that others might not want to play the game the same way you do? But then.. respect isn't something often found in EVE, and ESPECIALLY not on these forums.

Everyone thinks their right and anyone who disagrees is wrong and should stop playing EVE. Really nice frickin' crowd here.

"PLAY MY WAY OR YER A LOSER AND SHOULDNT PLAY!" Does that sound right to you? How about if I told you, stop flying with yer friends, fly solo only. You wouldn't like it any more than you telling me to stop flying solo and join a big alliance. I DONT WANT TO DO THAT!

And before you ask, "Have you tried?" Yes I've tried, I was part of Wildly Inappropriate for many months and operated in Branch. I flew the big fleets of 200+ and dealt with the drama and the BS. I didn't like it. It was not fun. You can have all the 0.0 you want. I don't enjoy going there, its not fun. Just a bunch of politics and backstabbing and BS. You can have it.

So naturally, when CCP is planning on a change the REMOVES GAMEPLAY for me, I'm going to complain.
Citizen Smif
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2011-10-19 15:24:21 UTC
Saphyrie wrote:
Believe it or not, different people play this game in different ways. Some people play the market, some people just build stuff. Some people PVP, some people are leaders and try to assemble large cooperation/alliances. And some people solo.

I'm sorry you personally don't approve of my way of playing the game, but then I think the guys in Rancer who sit there and just fire smartbombs all day on a gate are pretty ******** too. But I don't go and try to tell them how or how not to play EVE.

Maybe you should learn to respect and accept that others might not want to play the game the same way you do? But then.. respect isn't something often found in EVE, and ESPECIALLY not on these forums.

Everyone thinks their right and anyone who disagrees is wrong and should stop playing EVE. Really nice frickin' crowd here.

"PLAY MY WAY OR YER A LOSER AND SHOULDNT PLAY!" Does that sound right to you? How about if I told you, stop flying with yer friends, fly solo only. You wouldn't like it any more than you telling me to stop flying solo and join a big alliance. I DONT WANT TO DO THAT!

And before you ask, "Have you tried?" Yes I've tried, I was part of Wildly Inappropriate for many months and operated in Branch. I flew the big fleets of 200+ and dealt with the drama and the BS. I didn't like it. It was not fun.


Problem is your way of playing results in bitching and moaning when any little change is introduced by CCP.. For the rest of us "cooperative" players when changes are introduced we usually accept them - keeps things fresh. Even the null corps aren't bitching about changes that are going to weaken them like the upcoming supercap nerf. Get a grip man.
Saphyrie
Nefantar Expeditionary Force
#10 - 2011-10-19 15:27:49 UTC
Citizen Smif wrote:
Problem is your way of playing results in bitching and moaning when any little change is introduced by CCP.. For the rest of us "cooperative" players when changes are introduced we usually accept them - keeps things fresh. Even the null corps aren't bitching about changes that are going to weaken them like the upcoming supercap nerf. Get a grip man.

Um excuse me, YOU PEOPLE ASKED FOR THAT! You've been bitching for months that supercaps are broken and need a change. GET A CLUE MAN.
XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#11 - 2011-10-19 15:37:24 UTC
Saphyrie wrote:
Believe it or not, different people play this game in different ways. Some people play the market, some people just build stuff. Some people PVP, some people are leaders and try to assemble large cooperation/alliances. And some people solo.


Thats fine. Play however you want. But don't expect to be rewarded for it. CCP wants to encourage certain playstyles, while still accommodating...other play styles. (re: incursions vs. solo missions).

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I'm sorry you personally don't approve of my way of playing the game, but then I think the guys in Rancer who sit there and just fire smartbombs all day on a gate are pretty ******** too. But I don't go and try to tell them how or how not to play EVE.


when did I say I didn't approve? I just asked why you do it.

Quote:
Maybe you should learn to respect and accept that others might not want to play the game the same way you do? But then.. respect isn't something often found in EVE, and ESPECIALLY not on these forums.


Sorry I don't respect crying pubbies.

Quote:
Everyone thinks their right and anyone who disagrees is wrong and should stop playing EVE. Really nice frickin' crowd here.

"PLAY MY WAY OR YER A LOSER AND SHOULDNT PLAY!" Does that sound right to you? How about if I told you, stop flying with yer friends, fly solo only. You wouldn't like it any more than you telling me to stop flying solo and join a big alliance. I DONT WANT TO DO THAT![/qutoe]

u mad bro? u need some vaseline? u seem kinda butthurt

[quote]

So naturally, when CCP is planning on a change the REMOVES GAMEPLAY for me, I'm going to complain.


They didn't remove it, they modified it. You can still do low sec PI, its just going to be a lot harder now. Alternatively, you can do it safely in high sec, solo...and get less rewards.

Do you see a pattern here?

tl;dr CCP wants an MMO, they want people to interact and cooperate, but they still accomodate solo players, but obviously with less rewards, thus in an attempt to incentivize player cooperation.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#12 - 2011-10-19 15:40:49 UTC
Saphyrie wrote:
XXSketchxx wrote:
Saphyrie wrote:
I gotta say, these changes stink. Just taking away more activities and putting it the hands of the huge alliances and pirates. Smaller fries need things to do, and lowsec PI is one of those things I like doing. But I guess thats over with now, I'm sure all the pirates will take over every lowsec planet and just let them sit there and rot unused.

Bad idea.

But CCP never listens, so I don't even know why I'm bothering to post.


Yeah cause low sec pirates don't like making money or anything. I'm sure they will all just put up customs offices and leave them there to rot.

Or maybe, now you won't be able to just ninja the products? Maybe now you'll have to, GASP, fight for control over the planets?

Effort is hard, amirite?

One person cant fight in this game. You lose everytime. This game is very unfriendly to solo pilots who don't wanna deal with other peoples drama and just wanna fly around and play the game by themselves, interacting with others only to buy/sell or chit-chat.

But I'll bet you my accounts, 95% of the lowsec planets will get a pirate customs offices that will NEVER SEE a single usage, just to block ninja PI'ers. How is that fair or even good for the game? Bad change. But whatever, there's more to do than stupid ol' PI. Just saddens me to see CCP taking more away from solo pilots.

Soon they'll remove the ability to even solo a mission, then I'll have nothing to do at all. Except mine, but they'll probably figure out a way to make that impossible to do solo too.



Here's the thing I don't understand -- they never said they're taking away the (expensive) "Launch into a jetcan from Command Centre" route ... so 'ninja PI' should still be do-able (it'll just suck more than now). Furthermore, the customs offics has like 15m HP ... that's what, a few hours of pounding it with a squad of BS? Hell, it's STATIONARY ... get a dread and RF the thing...

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Saphyrie
Nefantar Expeditionary Force
#13 - 2011-10-19 15:45:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Saphyrie
That's all fine and good. I still think it stinks. But I have no say in the matter. I'm not holding a gun to anyone's head and saying 'STOP IT OR I'LL SHOOT', I'm just saying stinks, I don't like it.

Probably wouldn't have bothered me if it was just a 0.0/Wormhole thing, but it stinks it's hitting lowsec, cuz I do fly lowsec. One can solo successfully in lowsec. But this change will remove a lowsec gameplay for me which sucks. I should get some more reward for risking lowsec but now I won't. I think it stinks. Sorry you don't like my opinion.

If yer posting to try to change my mind, won't happen. If yer posting to flame me for my opinion, then ok, hope you get off on that.

You appear to like this change. I respect that. I don't like it. I'm most certainly permitted to tell CCP in this forum what I think.

Don't really appreciate the name calling. But whatever, if that makes you feel good to act immature, go for it.
Saphyrie
Nefantar Expeditionary Force
#14 - 2011-10-19 16:14:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Saphyrie
Wanted to add something else to consider.

Removing lowsec Customs Offices will also remove gameplay for pirates. There will be less people trying to slip into lowsec to tend to their planets. No more camping custom offices in the hopes of catching someone.

I really hope CCP will reconsider removing NPC controlled customs offices in lowsec.

The player owned customs offices sound great for nullsec/wormholes. But for lowsec, it seems inappropriate to me.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#15 - 2011-10-19 16:24:19 UTC
Here's an idea for you:

Make friends with some guys who own a lowsec customs office or four.
XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#16 - 2011-10-19 16:54:50 UTC
Do you plan on proposing a feature or idea somewhere in this thread or did you just come here to cry on our shoulders about how this change is unfair for you?
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#17 - 2011-10-19 18:11:39 UTC
My pvp toon living in null has other stuff to train than PI (can't even fly the ships to haul stuff)

My industrial toon is in high sec, so not only PI in high sec is tedious and low isk rewarding (unless you're one of those nerds using dozens of alts) but now becomes completely useless in high sec.

I'd like the sp back and put it in something else.
XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#18 - 2011-10-19 18:35:40 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:
My pvp toon living in null has other stuff to train than PI (can't even fly the ships to haul stuff)

My industrial toon is in high sec, so not only PI in high sec is tedious and low isk rewarding (unless you're one of those nerds using dozens of alts) but now becomes completely useless in high sec.

I'd like the sp back and put it in something else.


Yeah we should all get sp back whenever a feature changes in such a way that we deem it not worth our time What?
David Xavier
The Capsuleers of Unconscious Thought
#19 - 2011-10-19 18:42:22 UTC
I would like to see some pirates commenting if they have the skills and will to set up customs offices in low sec space at all.

This can in theory lead to more interaction, but I fear it will include more shooting than negotiations for safe passage to planets.

I don't suffer from insanity.. I enjoy it !
Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#20 - 2011-10-19 19:18:51 UTC
Yay for player based PI taxation! \o/

I think this is cool. Now PI based corps can make an actual living in-game by means of owning PI infrastructure. If the owning corporation could also anchor 2 turrets around that, it would be awesome.

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
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