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The Hypocrisy of High Sec

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Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#21 - 2012-10-30 17:17:08 UTC
Montevius Williams wrote:


Why is your 15 bucks a month more important than mine?




Because I'm using Old Money, which is apparently better.

"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#22 - 2012-10-30 17:18:40 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
More awful nonsense from the delusional hermits of 0.0.


Pseudo-intellectual individual splutters something. Has a quote from some famous as a signature so said individual show off to everyone just intellectual he wishes he was.

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#23 - 2012-10-30 17:20:18 UTC
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
Like my daughter told me me when she was 6, lifes hard Daddy, get a helmet.


Bought a helmet, now want to headbutt OP while wearing it for starting yet another Nerf Highsec thread.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#24 - 2012-10-30 17:24:32 UTC
Alpheias wrote:
Pseudo-intellectual individual splutters something. Has a quote from some famous as a signature so said individual show off to everyone just intellectual he wishes he was.


Shouldn't even be talking about signatures, when yours looks like it was written by someone in elementary school.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#25 - 2012-10-30 17:27:44 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
Like my daughter told me me when she was 6, lifes hard Daddy, get a helmet.


Bought a helmet, now want to headbutt OP while wearing it for starting yet another Nerf Highsec thread.


You brought a bike helmet to a flame fest? Oh, how foolish you must feel now.

Bane Necran wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
Pseudo-intellectual individual splutters something. Has a quote from some famous as a signature so said individual show off to everyone just intellectual he wishes he was.


Shouldn't even be talking about signatures, when yours looks like it was written by someone in elementary school.


I agree, my signature looks like it was written in a school while yours just shrieks 'BAAAAAAAAAW'.

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.
Geligdio Khan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2012-10-30 17:29:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Geligdio Khan
Jame Jarl Retief wrote:
OP,

I get what you're trying to say, but you totally miss the point.

High sec exists for a reason. It's why it's called High Sec. As in, "High Security". It comes with a large number of penalties. If someone wants to stay in secure space, and pay for it through these penalties, that's their business. There's absolutely nothing hypocritical about that at all.

And while I totally agree industry is based on resupplying after a loss, the resupply can happen with raw materials coming from all security areas. I know people who prefer mining in null rather than high sec. I know one guy who lives in a wormhole, but still manufactures.

Your argument that "if all PvP would stop at structure, EVE industry would die" is also very one-sided. Because if all industrialists suddenly decided to stop producing, EVE would also die. Things like ammo, cap boosters, drones, etc., would all have to come from someplace. You can't PvP without drones or ammo. You could make your own, but that doesn't fit into my "everyone stops production" rule, as "everyone" includes you. It also illustrates that your "everyone stops shooting at structure" rule is just as flawed, as many people would continue shooting for the heck of it (let's face it, a large percentage of EVE's population isn't exactly normal).

Bottom line, I see no hypocrisy. If EVE is a sandbox, people should be free to play the way they like. If someone wants to produce items from the safety of high sec, they should have that option and it should be viable. You should also have the option to kill them, and you do (ganking, wardecs, what have you). So what's the problem?



Thanks for the response.

I think it's clear to all players that PVPers rely on industrials to make things for them. In fact one of the main arguments against a High Sec nerf is that prices would increase. So yeah, both parties need each other and the health of each directly affects the other. I wrote this post to show how industrialists rely on PVPers, which I think is more subtle.


This whole

" EVE is a sandbox, people should be free to play the way they like."

thing I believe to be wrong. Sandbox does not mean anyone can play however they want. If this were true could the goons not ask for exemption from the security rules? After all, they can play however they want.

Can I have a respawning ship in the shape of a dragon that has infinite drones? Surely I can play however I want.

How each player acts affects all the other players and what options are available to the players change the game experience for others. Play options should be taken away if they are massively detrimental to the experience of others.

I think High Sec is too good and is detrimental to the overall health of the game. I think the fact that 71% of toons live there is proof it is too good.

I don't think just because it is that way now means anyone has a sacred right to have that protected. The goal is to make a thriving game where everyone feels they have a place to play.

I hope this is a reasonable response, as I say, thanks for reading my post and thoughtfully responding to it.

Thanks
Soon Shin
Scarlet Weather Rhapsody
#27 - 2012-10-30 17:38:36 UTC
I find it funny that many 0.0 players dislike the safety of high sec yet when people talk about the safe and easyness of the Intel that local chat provides they get defensive about it. Not to mention the constant whines about afk cloakers.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2012-10-30 17:41:26 UTC
Soon Shin wrote:
I find it funny that many wormhole players dislike the safety of sov sec yet when people talk about the safe and easyness of collapsible wormholes and free cynojamming provides they get defensive about it. Not to mention the constant whines about 'blobs'.

I agree.
Iam a Spy2
solo and loveing it
#29 - 2012-10-30 17:43:32 UTC
not another nerf high BS post.

lol. GIve it up.
Geligdio Khan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2012-10-30 17:48:33 UTC
Soon Shin wrote:
I find it funny that many 0.0 players dislike the safety of high sec yet when people talk about the safe and easyness of the Intel that local chat provides they get defensive about it. Not to mention the constant whines about afk cloakers.




That is something to be considered.

I think the safety of Null is due to the dedicated activity of large groups of well organised players and I think their safety is a fair reward for all of this activity.

The safety of High is a gift from the gods and is therefore harder to justify.

Thanks
Josef Djugashvilis
#31 - 2012-10-30 17:50:45 UTC
How many more of these anti hi-sec threads must we endure?

Perhaps the Thread Overlords should put them all into one long thread and only allow new anti hi-sec threads if they contain some original thoughts and or ideas.

This is not a signature.
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#32 - 2012-10-30 17:52:10 UTC
Posting in another nerf highsec whine thread.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Soon Shin
Scarlet Weather Rhapsody
#33 - 2012-10-30 17:54:55 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Soon Shin wrote:
I find it funny that many wormhole players dislike the safety of sov sec yet when people talk about the safe and easyness of collapsible wormholes and free cynojamming provides they get defensive about it. Not to mention the constant whines about 'blobs'.

I agree.


"Oh noes I can't cyno and hot drop people, how am I supposed to PvP?!"

As easy it is to close your hole it is just as easy for someone to open up to you.

But then that requires work and effort that pubbies could not care to do.
TharOkha
0asis Group
#34 - 2012-10-30 17:58:12 UTC
Did you notice?. "Nerf hisec" threads becomes as awkward as "nerf afk cloaking" threads.

CODE. Venture hunt contest in a nutshell
Soon Shin
Scarlet Weather Rhapsody
#35 - 2012-10-30 18:02:30 UTC
TharOkha wrote:
Did you notice?. "Nerf hisec" threads becomes as awkward as "nerf afk cloaking" threads.


Exactly, plenty complain that their automatic and infallible Intel system can't show afk status.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2012-10-30 18:04:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Soon Shin wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Soon Shin wrote:
I find it funny that many wormhole players dislike the safety of sov sec yet when people talk about the safe and easyness of collapsible wormholes and free cynojamming provides they get defensive about it. Not to mention the constant whines about 'blobs'.

I agree.


"Oh noes I can't lock down every entry point with large mass ships whenever I want to carebear while being protected from cynos, how am I supposed to live in space?"

Well said.
Soon Shin
Scarlet Weather Rhapsody
#37 - 2012-10-30 18:12:10 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Soon Shin wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Soon Shin wrote:
I find it funny that many wormhole players dislike the safety of sov sec yet when people talk about the safe and easyness of collapsible wormholes and free cynojamming provides they get defensive about it. Not to mention the constant whines about 'blobs'.

I agree.


"Oh noes I can't lock down every entry point with large mass ships whenever I want to carebear while being protected from cynos, how am I supposed to live in space?"

Well said.


Come and try collapsing with your large mass ship we love big juicy kill mails. We'll be waiting for you.

"Oh noes my super is being attacked. Time to call for help while I tank them with my 30 million ehp/ I'll just cyno out."

"System defence? What's that? I have a thousand blues in adjacent systems that will come save me."
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2012-10-30 18:18:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Soon Shin wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Soon Shin wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Soon Shin wrote:
I find it funny that many wormhole players dislike the safety of sov sec yet when people talk about the safe and easyness of collapsible wormholes and free cynojamming provides they get defensive about it. Not to mention the constant whines about 'blobs'.

I agree.


"Oh noes I can't lock down every entry point with large mass ships whenever I want to carebear while being protected from cynos, how am I supposed to live in space?"

Well said.

Come and try collapsing with your large mass ship. Wormhole space is extremely safe, that is why it has only one twentieth the kills of 0.0 while having a quarter of the population. . Only highsec beats it in safety, so don't worry about any harm coming to your ship in any way.

A very warm invitation. Thank you.
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#39 - 2012-10-30 18:23:34 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
Like my daughter told me me when she was 6, lifes hard Daddy, get a helmet.



This is an awesome post Big smile



What she should have said is "See what happens when you don't wear a raincoat daddy?"

Signature removed - CCP Eterne
Soon Shin
Scarlet Weather Rhapsody
#40 - 2012-10-30 18:29:02 UTC
We welcome more people to come into wormhole they are safe.

Trust me, we'll help you out if you show us which wh you live in.