Player Features and Ideas Discussion

They sure use expensive implants in null and they sure do get podded with them eventually..

http://kb.the-ink.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=37328

They could give auguror type armor hp per level bonuses on Gallente ships instead of active armor bonuses. I don't thinke even 10% repper bonuses will make active armor any more viable with MARs and LARs unlike it may be doing with the Incursus. Fitting multiple reppers and even multiple cap injectors is a ***** on grid and unless I'm missing something that problem v benefit is not as great with ASBs. Although there were some announced changes to ASBs have there been any numbers provided?

Or, I would like to see something creative like making regenerative platings or membranes better than they currently are. Maybe a slight buff to hp % provided and some very slow actual regen mechanic that would have no combat effect but would allow ss'd self healing while roaming in places without easy station access (wormholes and sov nullsec).

WIth the new tech II plates stats it looks like the harsh mobility penalties are not going anywhere. And since I don't think they can buff hull bonuses enough to fix all the problems associated with active armor tanking for pvp. So, maybe there will be some new things to fix the armor problems.

That is why I put realistically. I've tried a Cruise Phoon for PvE, okay but nothing to write home about.


Yes they have stated quite a few times that they want to see the Drake removed as fleet option and I think they should be looking into the other LR weapons system bringing them up to Drake Dmg Lvl's. The Tengu has its own thing with a 5% and 7.5% Dmg Bonus going on that can be looked at instead along with 100mn AB's.


Not comparative to Heavy Missiles but the other Battleships that is where the problem lies. I don't think Drakes are the problem, Harbingers are, Ferox's are, the Cane needing 2 Dmg Bonuses to be considered a ship in the Drakes shadow is.

Looking at the new Cruisers not one of them is a real big fleet option or even a mid range 40-50KM option that doesn't use missiles and I am willing to bet the Ferox the Ferox is going to become a bralwer completely wiping out the T1 Medium Rail Line. They are not trying to Nerf Missiles in line, they are trying to drag Cruiser Guns out of Fleet warfare except perhaps on some HAC's with the rebalance.

This nerf isn't to heavy handed but I think they should not have addressed this problem this way. I think they should have worked to create more ships like the Drake then solved the problems with the Fleet Battleships that don't stack up. The Apoc's and Ravens and Amarr fitting Beams instead of Scorch, letting the Tempest take over for the Mael so it can be an Active Tanked Ship primarily.

I like cheap fleet options in the game. People say the Drake is the problem, I want 5 or 6 more "problems" in the Cruiser / BC lineup using all types of guns and I want the Battleships that don't work to take cues from the ones that do.

pvp just dont happen in null

Not really. It all depends on the numbers associated with the TC and TE effects. My guess is this was the reason it was delayed. The last time missiles were reworked the first iteration put on the test server was a disaster and missiles were wtfpwning everything and anything. They don't have a wide tolerance band between underperforming and overpowered. Hopefully, Fozzie and the team can get some right bonus values placed on the tracking mods such that they don't flip into the op category.

edit - I suspect the effects will have to be comparitively weak in relation to the numerical values that those mods currently have with turrets.

Don't kid yourself even with these changes some of the missiles are OP if you then add TE/TC even with small bonus they will be very much OP.
the missile rigs and skills also have too high a bonus atm

Yeah, just looking at the range effects, I posted before itt or in another thread that the range skills are skewed. Gunnery has two 5% range skills (and one of those is for falloff so really only half a range skill). Missiles have two 10% range skills.

Also, they have traditionally handed out 10% range bonuses for missile hulls, while only giving 7.5% to turret hulls. Except for the odd 10% also range bonuses for Caldari hulls with guns. That has always been rather crazy, to give a hull that will be fit with the longest range guns a 10% per level bonus while other shorter guns have to live with at most a 7.5% per level range bonus.

But if you look at the Doc again you will see that they increased the base explosion radius for those rage missiles so the 25% from level V of GMP just merely counter acts the base increase with maybe a slight decrease of the old base numbers. But you can still claim there is a small damage increase traded for the range decrease.

So you will still have people moaning, I myself wonder if the dps bump on Rage Hams is worth the loss range. I am leaning towards no because you can't apply any dps until you get in to range.

But I am reserving any real judgement till I see the TE/TC elements hopefully to come. Until then I will most likely just load up on T1 faction ammo where the GMP buff does lend a nice helping hand.

Just saying

I disagree with that sentiment. I don't think tracking or the maximum damage should be improved but at longer ranges, long range weapons should be better IMO instead of Short Range with T2 Ammo.

I don't want to see Damage buffs but better bonuses that make some ships long range oriented, instead they removed one even though for other reasons it wasn't used as such. What I want to see is the Ammunition System cleaned up so not as much Damage is lost at long range, Short Range guns should always do more Damage at close range and they should always track better. I want to see them fit easier as well.

I think if you get in a knife fight with LR Weapons you should lose but outside that they should be king and I don't think they should be harder to fit so close range ships preform better in tank, the difference should be damage. Beams should do better then Scorch at Scorch Range and Worse inside at Multi Range.

As for Medium LR Weapons competing with Battleship Short range Weapons, well Battleship Short Range weapons should be for Short Ranges. Scorch Battleships should be able to hit out far enough in addition to doing high damage close up but Scorch as a dedicated Fleet Weapon should be a thing of the past IMO and Beam Fleets should be the new standard like 1400mm Maels and 425mm Rokh's and that means working with fitting and cap use and bonuses to make that happen. Not saying Nerf Scorch, just make the advantages in Range and Damage clear.