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Caldari Carriers!
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Logic Luke
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-10-28 17:20:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Logic Luke
So.. I have excellent Shield skills, and poor armor skills.. I can choose either way, but i have always liked the Chimera Capitals..
So please.. Why is it that people tells me not to get a Chimera? wouldnt it work fine with Tengu fleets etc etc? :)

I think its an awesome ships, so my question is why no one is using is.. and is it the same with the Wyvern??
Romvex
TURN LEFT
#2 - 2012-10-28 17:23:09 UTC
i know its pretty and all, but it has the capacitor of a pocket-sized calculator
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#3 - 2012-10-28 17:40:44 UTC
Shield capitals are bad.
Nex apparatu5
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2012-10-28 17:43:15 UTC
Romvex wrote:
i know its pretty and all, but it has the capacitor of a pocket-sized calculator


Hey, the capacitor isn't that bad. Pocket calculators can run for far longer than a chimera can.
Romvex
TURN LEFT
#5 - 2012-10-28 17:48:26 UTC
Nex apparatu5 wrote:
Romvex wrote:
i know its pretty and all, but it has the capacitor of a pocket-sized calculator


Hey, the capacitor isn't that bad. Pocket calculators can run for far longer than a chimera can.

you've obviously never strapped a capital shield booster on a pocket calculator
Aldeb Haraz
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#6 - 2012-10-28 17:50:54 UTC
The biggest issue with the Chimera is the lack of versatility. You're locked into a shield-tanked, shield-repping fit and it just doesnt mesh well with armor-tanks that dominate capital and supercapital fleets right now. You can fit a very mediocre armor tank on one, but you have terrible resists and less EHP than a nidhoggur.

On the plus side the Chimera is the best shield triage carrier, bar none, for the ability to fit an insane tank. Some people (Gypsy Band) have started to run shield capital gangs as well, so that might catch on and become more common in the future.

Overall, it's really fine if you just want a carrier to haul your ships or rep a POS, but you just cant expect to fit in most of the combat fleets that you might find yourself in.
Exploited Engineer
Creatively Applied Violence Inc.
#7 - 2012-10-28 21:51:32 UTC
Romvex wrote:
you've obviously never strapped a capital shield booster on a pocket calculator


I'm still looking for a 300 TF pocket calculator.
Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#8 - 2012-10-28 22:52:39 UTC
Chimera's are good for PVE, ie wh escalations and null ratting. Sentry carriers are all the latest rage. The only reason I can see they are not great for PVP, mentioned above, is the EHP. Armor tankers can use slaves to boost any ships EHP, shield tankers don't have those type of implants, sadly crystal implants don't work on capital either. But different is good Big smile
Kosetzu
The Black Crow Bandits
Northern Coalition.
#9 - 2012-10-28 23:25:58 UTC
Of what I remember the Chimera has some CPU issues as well with fitting everything.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-10-29 00:39:29 UTC
Logic Luke wrote:
So.. I have excellent Shield skills, and poor armor skills.. I can choose either way, but i have always liked the Chimera Capitals..
So please.. Why is it that people tells me not to get a Chimera? wouldnt it work fine with Tengu fleets etc etc?


Because there's no capital ASB (yet) Lol

On a serious note, it's only at capital size ships where you see things are +/- balanced in between armor/shields, however never look at the Chimaera in any other way or form than a big Basilisk. If you don't you'll feel the pain FTL

brb
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#11 - 2012-10-29 03:56:34 UTC
Ran into a Chimera in a c6 Wolf-Rayet a few weeks ago... it was armor tanked and providing remote armor reps.
Red zeon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-10-29 08:25:58 UTC
yeah, also i think its complete bs that crystal set dont work on chimera but slaves work for armor, that there is the biggest injustice in capital category atm :P
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#13 - 2012-10-29 12:01:13 UTC
[Chimera, Rex]

Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Damage Control II

Capital Shield Booster I
Pith A-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
Pith A-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
Pith A-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field
[Empty Med slot]

Capital Shield Transporter I
Capital Shield Transporter I
Triage Module II
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Templar x5
Templar x5


Not really seeing whats crap about it. The only thing that drags caldari capitals down is that armor fleets are far more popular at a capital level. In smaller shield fleets, the chimera is a beast. This setup is designed to work as a solo carrier or with another carrier backing it up. Chimera's excel in small fleet engagements since instant transfer on shields saves lives and they can support insane personal tanks (e.g. you need 30 fully gank BS's to kill you and even then it takes the better part of 5 minutes.

And ps, this isn't EFT warrioring - it's a slight variant on a chimera i flew for 2 years, which was partially stolen from a fellow member of D00M when i flew with them. Trust me, it's a good ship... the archon is just preferred due to armor capital fleets being more popular right now.

Edit***

Empty slots are flavour depending on the situation.
Romvex
TURN LEFT
#14 - 2012-10-29 12:35:17 UTC
Red zeon wrote:
yeah, also i think its complete bs that crystal set dont work on chimera but slaves work for armor, that there is the biggest injustice in capital category atm :P

i totally agree. they should replace those near useless racial sensor strength implants (spur, talon, grail, jackal) with implants that increase shield HP and armor rep amount
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#15 - 2012-10-29 12:36:53 UTC
Romvex wrote:
Red zeon wrote:
yeah, also i think its complete bs that crystal set dont work on chimera but slaves work for armor, that there is the biggest injustice in capital category atm :P

i totally agree. they should replace those near useless racial sensor strength implants (spur, talon, grail, jackal) with implants that increase shield HP and armor rep amount


Your missing the point between armor tanking and shield tanking. They aren't just equivalents in different slots, they are entirely different.
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
#16 - 2012-10-29 12:42:12 UTC
Maeltstome wrote:

Not really seeing whats crap about it. The only thing that drags caldari capitals down is that armor fleets are far more popular at a capital level. In smaller shield fleets, the chimera is a beast. This setup is designed to work as a solo carrier or with another carrier backing it up. Chimera's excel in small fleet engagements since instant transfer on shields saves lives and they can support insane personal tanks (e.g. you need 30 fully gank BS's to kill you and even then it takes the better part of 5 minutes


Sure it can tank more dps in triage but most of the time triage will fail to cap pressure not overwhelming dps. The archon has far more flexibility with refitting and a better capacitor to survive neuting pressure. The chimera is a one trick pony in that it tanks a lot of DPS, but offers very little flexability.
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#17 - 2012-10-29 14:21:45 UTC
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:
Maeltstome wrote:

Not really seeing whats crap about it. The only thing that drags caldari capitals down is that armor fleets are far more popular at a capital level. In smaller shield fleets, the chimera is a beast. This setup is designed to work as a solo carrier or with another carrier backing it up. Chimera's excel in small fleet engagements since instant transfer on shields saves lives and they can support insane personal tanks (e.g. you need 30 fully gank BS's to kill you and even then it takes the better part of 5 minutes


Sure it can tank more dps in triage but most of the time triage will fail to cap pressure not overwhelming dps. The archon has far more flexibility with refitting and a better capacitor to survive neuting pressure. The chimera is a one trick pony in that it tanks a lot of DPS, but offers very little flexability.


Any capital will die to cap pressure - 2 cap transferring capital is the standard for stopping this. In terms of tank, it can support a much stronger tank permanently compared to an archon - but a bhaalgorn will still wreck both of these ships unless it's neuted out first. This kind of makes the point moot: In a gang they are both killable through cap warfare, small scale they provide the same DPS and rep potential - but the chimera isn't reliant on other logistics to protect itself.

It's situational, but i'd rather be stuck in a chimera than an archon if i get caught with no capital support to back me up.
Logic Luke
Perkone
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-10-30 15:29:59 UTC
So, its a stupid idea, iam training Shield management V now.. I should just throw Shield out of the Window, and start armor Skills? ..... Because this sounds kinda sad..
Goldensaver
Maraque Enterprises
Just let it happen
#19 - 2012-10-30 16:01:05 UTC
Logic Luke wrote:
So, its a stupid idea, iam training Shield management V now.. I should just throw Shield out of the Window, and start armor Skills? ..... Because this sounds kinda sad..

Currently in smaller ships and small gang fights shield is king. While it may not be optimal for capital ships, if you ever need to fly anything smaller a lot more people will suggest shield fits, due to the mobility offered by them.

It's all a matter of situation. Personally, if this isn't a main and you're trying to prep a character for multitudes of things, I'd say just train it all. I've got an account going like that that's going to be versatile as hell. And even if this is your main, it doesn't take all TOO long to train up decent armour skills. A couple weeks more training to be decent with armour at almost any level, though you'll still need more training after that to be good at the capital level.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-10-30 16:42:46 UTC
Romvex wrote:
i know its pretty and all, but it has the capacitor of a pocket-sized calculator


At least you can play games on calculator.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_game#Calculator_games

Unfortunately EVE isn't available. Sad
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