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Miners Unite to Fight the New Order!

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Robert De'Arneth
#481 - 2012-10-30 15:54:12 UTC
Some Rando wrote:
Anslo wrote:
No. They shouldn't have to leave because of some player with a vendetta against another person's gameplay.

Then they might need to learn to defend themselves or find ways to deal with other people who have a vendetta against a type of gameplay.

It's not hard to avoid people you don't want to interact with, I do it all the time in game. The difference between me and most miners is that I put in the time, research, and practice to find out how to defend myself and avoid other people.



Oh us poor miners, we never look at local, we do not use Teamspeak or other such tools. I know I do not have 27 systems in which I keep mining ships, that would be to much for us poor miners to do.

I'm a nerd, you can check my stats!! Skilling Int/Mem at 45 sp per minute is how I mack!     I'm like a lapdog, all bark no bite. 
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#482 - 2012-10-30 15:57:26 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Instead of dragging this out, I'm going to agree to disagree. I don't feel like arguing the same point for another 50 posts.

You disagree with the fact that in a PvP game you might need to defend yourself from other players?

CCP has no sense of humour.
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#483 - 2012-10-30 15:58:32 UTC
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
Oh us poor miners, we never look at local, we do not use Teamspeak or other such tools. I know I do not have 27 systems in which I keep mining ships, that would be to much for us poor miners to do.

Evidence points to that being the case.

CCP has no sense of humour.
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#484 - 2012-10-30 15:59:06 UTC
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
Some Rando wrote:
Anslo wrote:
No. They shouldn't have to leave because of some player with a vendetta against another person's gameplay.

Then they might need to learn to defend themselves or find ways to deal with other people who have a vendetta against a type of gameplay.

It's not hard to avoid people you don't want to interact with, I do it all the time in game. The difference between me and most miners is that I put in the time, research, and practice to find out how to defend myself and avoid other people.



Oh us poor miners, we never look at local, we do not use Teamspeak or other such tools. I know I do not have 27 systems in which I keep mining ships, that would be to much for us poor miners to do.


Oh, look, it is a clever miner!

Didn't see that one coming.

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.
Anslo
Scope Works
#485 - 2012-10-30 15:59:37 UTC
Alpheias wrote:
But the key difference here is a group of players that demand that CCP harshly punishes other players for interacting with this group, including actions taken against the "offending" players' account and it is not the "sociopaths" or "belligerent undesirables" that demand this.

Aggressive unstoppable action begets aggressive reactions I suppose. I don't blame them.

Some Rando wrote:
You disagree with the fact that in a PvP game you might need to defend yourself from other players?

I disagree that a sandbox game should have bullies keeping people in the real world from enjoying something they do without an actual mechanic to defend against it.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#486 - 2012-10-30 16:00:51 UTC
Anslo wrote:

I disagree that a sandbox game should have bullies keeping people in the real world from enjoying something they do without an actual mechanic to defend against it.


But there are ways to defend against it.
Anslo
Scope Works
#487 - 2012-10-30 16:02:45 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
But there are ways to defend against it.


And as I said...I don't believe they are effective means. Effective would be a module or some such, not a duct tape "orbit" method (which doesn't work) or web method (which also doesn't work). Also just telling them to goto a different system may work, or they might just be followed. Either way, they're displaced.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#488 - 2012-10-30 16:03:05 UTC
Anslo wrote:
without an actual mechanic to defend against it.

You keep repeating this. It's an entirely false statement.

Oh god.
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#489 - 2012-10-30 16:03:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Some Rando
Anslo wrote:
I disagree that a sandbox game should have bullies keeping people in the real world from enjoying something they do without an actual mechanic to defend against it.

Maybe if some people used their head, did some research, and practiced, they'd be able to defend against such tactics, huh?

I mean, it's just like the ganking thing. Instead of fitting a tank, making bookmarks and aligning, or figuring out other creative ways of doing things (like webbing each other for faster align), people just up and whined. They had plenty of tools to defend themselves and they didn't use them. Hell, they didn't even think about those tools.

Also, I take issue with "bullies". No one is forcing you to play a video game.

CCP has no sense of humour.
Anslo
Scope Works
#490 - 2012-10-30 16:04:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Anslo
Riot Girl wrote:
You keep repeating this. It's an entirely false statement.


No it's not. But this entire thread is an exercise in repletion since post 1, so why point out the obvious now?

Some Rando wrote:
Maybe if some people used their head, did some research, and practiced, they'd be able to defend against such tactics, huh?

And they did. But they really don't work.

Quote:
I mean, it's just like the ganking thing. Instead of fitting a tank, making bookmarks and aligning, or figuring out other creative ways of doing things (like webbing each other for faster align), people just up and whined. They had plenty of tools to defend themselves and they didn't use them. Hell, they didn't even think about those tools.

Well the ganking got a bit ridiculous. CCP thought it wasn't fair, so they buffed the barges. Despite all the tools the miners had, there was simply too much ganking that they'd spend 90% of their time running and hiding and 10% actually mining like they enjoy.

Quote:
Also, I take issue with "bullies". No one is forcing you to play a video game.

Take whatever issue you want. They wish to play this game, not deal with bullying and abuse.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#491 - 2012-10-30 16:04:52 UTC
Anslo wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Disgusting miner filth are not "minding their own business", they sell their rocks or manufacture with them. That is not minding their own business. That is directly influencing the market and availability of everything.

Funny how that same "scum" helps supply you with your ships and equipment..


That's exactly my point, miners (I suppose I should have made a better distinction on the "scum" part - not all miners are bad people, just a lot of them) are part of the game as a whole. They have their role in the EVE universe, and it's a valid one. But they're not, in fact they are incapable of being, entirely separate from the rest of us.

It's a two way street. Miners play a role in the pricing, manufacture and availability of ships and modules for other players. Therefore the other players must play a part in mining (mining licenses, ganks, etc), for the sake of balance. You can't have one without the other.

The disgusting scum part comes into it when they dishonestly claim they are lone entities, and demand that they be immune from forms of interaction they do not like.

That's not how it works.
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#492 - 2012-10-30 16:05:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Alpheias
Anslo wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
But the key difference here is a group of players that demand that CCP harshly punishes other players for interacting with this group, including actions taken against the "offending" players' account and it is not the "sociopaths" or "belligerent undesirables" that demand this.


Aggressive unstoppable action begets aggressive reactions I suppose. I don't blame them.


And their solution to their woes, it being bumping by players or being attacked by players, is to ban the accounts or introduce a anti-bumping module. That is not a aggressive reaction, it is ******* pathetic!

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#493 - 2012-10-30 16:06:39 UTC
Anslo wrote:
this entire thread is an exercise in repletion since post 1

This entire thread is an exercise in hilarious outrage at some guy who took a great extortion scheme and the means to enforce it, and blew it up into a metagame phenomenon.

CCP has no sense of humour.
HollyShocker 2inthestink
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#494 - 2012-10-30 16:07:03 UTC
Some Rando wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Not the statement, the fact that miners take abuse.

See, that's what gets me. Here we're playing a PvP sandbox game and we have a subset of "players" (one wonders why we keep up the pretense, they're actually robots) who "take" abuse. Given that we're:
A. Playing a video game
B. Playing a PvP game
C. Playing a sandbox game
I have to ask why anyone is forced to "take abuse"?

I have no pity, whatsoever, for people who consider themselves "victims" in a video game.


Because someone is taken advantage of regardless of real life or in game doesnt make it their fault. Miners are placed at a disadvantage from the jump. They have sp set to indy not pvp and the ships are indy ships not pvp.

Just because they are placed at this disadvantage doesnt mean they asked or deserved to be ganked. Yes some people dont fit correctly but there are people who do and there are people that take the extra steps and they still fall prey to the more organised gank teams.

People come here and try to place all the miners in the same catagory to justify their own ignorance and bias and hatred for a type of game play they dont like or understand.

This type of of ignorance can be found in abundance in real life and not just in this game.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#495 - 2012-10-30 16:07:05 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Also just telling them to goto a different system may work, or they might just be followed. Either way, they're displaced.

Do you feel being displaced is a worthy reason to demand intervention from CCP? Is being forced to move to another system so game breaking that the whole community has to be punished? Is there a viable solution to this inconvenience that would not harm the quality of the experience the game offers for every single player?

Oh god.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#496 - 2012-10-30 16:08:34 UTC
Anslo wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
But there are ways to defend against it.


And as I said...I don't believe they are effective means. Effective would be a module or some such, not a duct tape "orbit" method (which doesn't work) or web method (which also doesn't work). Also just telling them to goto a different system may work, or they might just be followed. Either way, they're displaced.


There is a 100% effective mechanic in place. Simply right click the Agents name and select "Give Money". Enter the license fee of 10 million isk and bobs your uncle.
Anslo
Scope Works
#497 - 2012-10-30 16:09:06 UTC
Some Rando wrote:
This entire thread is an exercise in hilarious outrage at some guy who took a great extortion scheme and the means to enforce it, and blew it up into a metagame phenomenon.

I'll give him that. I'd hire him for marketing at least.

Alpheias wrote:
And their solution to their woes, it being bumping by players or being attacked by players, is to ban the accounts or introduce a anti-bumping module. That is not a aggressive reaction, it is ******* pathetic!

Well, they're frustrated. Banning is a bit much, but the module I understand (also you clearly took the 'ban' posts a wee bit too seriously).

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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#498 - 2012-10-30 16:10:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Riot Girl
Anslo wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
You keep repeating this. It's an entirely false statement.


No it's not.


Of course it is. You even said yourself you can move to another system but dismissed it as being too inconvenient. Well if they don't want to move to another system, why not try surrounding themselves in a castle made of Jump Freighters? That would stop people bumping you. Of course that would take imagination and organization. Worst of all, it would ruin their boredom by forcing them to try out something fun.

Oh god.
Robert De'Arneth
#499 - 2012-10-30 16:11:12 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Anslo wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
But there are ways to defend against it.


And as I said...I don't believe they are effective means. Effective would be a module or some such, not a duct tape "orbit" method (which doesn't work) or web method (which also doesn't work). Also just telling them to goto a different system may work, or they might just be followed. Either way, they're displaced.


There is a 100% effective mechanic in place. Simply right click the Agents name and select "Give Money". Enter the license fee of 10 million isk and bobs your uncle.



More effective if you tell said agent to go f themselves, since it has proven they have no way to enforce this. Big smile Also not a bad idea to type to said agent, LMAO you idiot. That will really make the agent upset. I find with most children, if you laugh at them they get real mad.

I'm a nerd, you can check my stats!! Skilling Int/Mem at 45 sp per minute is how I mack!     I'm like a lapdog, all bark no bite. 
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#500 - 2012-10-30 16:12:50 UTC
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
They have sp set to indy not pvp and the ships are indy ships not pvp.

That's no one's fault but the miner's.

HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
People come here and try to place all the miners in the same catagory to justify their own ignorance and bias and hatred for a type of game play they dont like or understand.

This type of of ignorance can be found in abundance in real life and not just in this game.

This is awesome. It's almost as if you're trying to paint miners as RL minorities. The difference is that one is playing a video game by choice and the other has to live it.

CCP has no sense of humour.