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Miners Unite to Fight the New Order!

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Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#461 - 2012-10-30 15:26:39 UTC
Anslo wrote:
While that might work elsewhere, I know well enough the community's "attitude" towards assumed "whiners." It's an intended insult saying 'Eve does not want you, get out (p.s. give me your stuff). They like Eve the game, but not the people who play it.

All the more reason to find another game to play, huh? It's why I don't play COD or other shooters that may or may not feature 13-year old idiots screaming racist obscenities.

CCP has no sense of humour.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#462 - 2012-10-30 15:28:51 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Then why complain about their ignoring or noninteraction? It shouldn't bother you.

I'm not. I'm complaining that they do not prepare themselves or respond appropriately when player interaction finds them. I know it is their right to refuse to respond appropriately but it is also my right to refuse to respect them as a result.

Oh god.
Nanatoa
#463 - 2012-10-30 15:29:24 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Your code is not in game rules and are not from the company or in game authority. Therefore your code is moot.


The Code is not moot. It would be moot if it could not be enforced. As things stand, we have the means and the determination to enfore it. Deal with it.

(Of course, your way of 'dealing with it' is taking this out of game to the forums, in the deluded hope of Divine Intervention by CCP.)

"Stay the course, we have done this many times before." - (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#464 - 2012-10-30 15:30:27 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Nanatoa wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Your code is not in game rules and are not from the company or in game authority. Therefore your code is moot.


The Code is not moot. It would be moot if it could not be enforced. As things stand, we have the means and the determination to enfore it. Deal with it.

(Of course, your way of 'dealing with it' is taking this out of game to the forums, in the deluded hope of Divine Intervention by CCP.)


It worked beforeStraight
Anslo
Scope Works
#465 - 2012-10-30 15:37:32 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Disgusting miner filth are not "minding their own business", they sell their rocks or manufacture with them. That is not minding their own business. That is directly influencing the market and availability of everything.

Funny how that same "scum" helps supply you with your ships and equipment..

Some Rando wrote:
All the more reason to find another game to play, huh? It's why I don't play COD or other shooters that may or may not feature 13-year old idiots screaming racist obscenities.

No. They shouldn't have to leave because of some player with a vendetta against another person's gameplay. Also lol@COD

Riot Girl wrote:
Anslo wrote:
I'm not. I'm complaining that they do not prepare themselves or respond appropriately when player interaction finds them. I know it is their right to refuse to respond appropriately but it is also my right to refuse to respect them as a result.

You're right. In terms of ganks, they have ways to respond. But the methods for one to respond to bumping really aren't there in any effective means. But very well, that's your right, stated respectfully, and I'll respect that. \o/

[quote=Nanatoa]The Code is not moot. It would be moot if it could not be enforced. As things stand, we have the means and the determination to enfore it. Deal with it.

(Of course, your way of 'dealing with it' is taking this out of game to the forums, in the deluded hope of Divine Intervention by CCP.)


Except it is moot to 99.9% of the rest of the cluster, as it cannot be enforced there. In which case, it is moot to everyone as you are not a major enforcement entity, just a few people ruining someone else's day with delusions of grandiose faux dominance. "Deal with it."

And as stated above, it did work before. I'm not asking for bumping to be an exploit, I'm asking for miners to have something to counter it while at the same time making them open to another form of attack.

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Robert De'Arneth
#466 - 2012-10-30 15:37:44 UTC
Nanatoa wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Your code is not in game rules and are not from the company or in game authority. Therefore your code is moot.


The Code is not moot. It would be moot if it could not be enforced. As things stand, we have the means and the determination to enfore it. Deal with it.

(Of course, your way of 'dealing with it' is taking this out of game to the forums, in the deluded hope of Divine Intervention by CCP.)



LOL, you have no way to enforce it all. You might find some idiots who will pay you, but do not kid yourself James, you have no real way to enforce it. Unless you mean people laughing at you as away to enforce it. Your ego is getting pretty big James. Big smile

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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#467 - 2012-10-30 15:38:21 UTC
Watch as CCP drastically increase the mass of mining barges so they are impossible to bump.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#468 - 2012-10-30 15:38:21 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Your code is not in game rules and are not from the company or in game authority. Therefore your code is moot.


And what is "in-game authority?" Authority implies having the means to enforce a code, the code is "pay for the right to mine here and you won't be bumped." It's basic emergent gameplay.

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"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#469 - 2012-10-30 15:38:56 UTC
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
LOL, you have no way to enforce it all. You might find some idiots who will pay you, but do not kid yourself James, you have no real way to enforce it. Unless you mean people laughing at you as away to enforce it. Your ego is getting pretty big James. Big smile


They do have a real way to enforce it, hence all the miners whining about the bumping.

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"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Dasola
New Edens Freeports
#470 - 2012-10-30 15:40:44 UTC
if bumping is all he does to miner, thats small hassle, set your mining ship to orbit asteroid your not mining Blink Get bumped and ship will automaticly return to mining range.

Or better yet, dont mine in system this person regularly visits. Theres plenty of highsec systems to mine in. I should know, my alts mine some of them time to time.

We are Minmatar, Our ship are made of scraps, but look what our scraps can do...
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#471 - 2012-10-30 15:41:02 UTC
Anslo wrote:


And as stated above, it did work before. I'm not asking for bumping to be an exploit, I'm asking for miners to have something to counter it while at the same time making them open to another form of attack.


And just like before there are a lot of ways to counter it already. Miners didn't need the extra EHP and they sure as hell dont need a new anti bump module.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#472 - 2012-10-30 15:41:14 UTC
Anslo wrote:
I'm asking for miners to have something to counter it while at the same time making them open to another form of attack.

They do have something to counter it with. They have a brain and all they need to do is to learn to use it in a befitting manner.

Oh god.
Robert De'Arneth
#473 - 2012-10-30 15:42:58 UTC
Andski wrote:
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
LOL, you have no way to enforce it all. You might find some idiots who will pay you, but do not kid yourself James, you have no real way to enforce it. Unless you mean people laughing at you as away to enforce it. Your ego is getting pretty big James. Big smile


They do have a real way to enforce it, hence all the miners whining about the bumping.



Well inform me how they can force me to pay them? I asked James already and he ignored it, so maybe you can help? Details please sir.

I'm a nerd, you can check my stats!! Skilling Int/Mem at 45 sp per minute is how I mack!     I'm like a lapdog, all bark no bite. 
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#474 - 2012-10-30 15:44:31 UTC
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
Well inform me how they can force me to pay them? I asked James already and he ignored it, so maybe you can help? Details please sir.


They can't force you to pay it, but they can certainly deny you the ability to mine in that system.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Robert De'Arneth
#475 - 2012-10-30 15:48:34 UTC
Andski wrote:
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
Well inform me how they can force me to pay them? I asked James already and he ignored it, so maybe you can help? Details please sir.


They can't force you to pay it, but they can certainly deny you the ability to mine in that system.




So in fact, they have no way to enforce it, thank you.Big smile

I'm a nerd, you can check my stats!! Skilling Int/Mem at 45 sp per minute is how I mack!     I'm like a lapdog, all bark no bite. 
Anslo
Scope Works
#476 - 2012-10-30 15:50:01 UTC
Andski wrote:
And what is "in-game authority?" Authority implies having the means to enforce a code, the code is "pay for the right to mine here and you won't be bumped." It's basic emergent gameplay.

Sure it's emergent, but they still act like they're some sort of authority in high sec. My jimmies rustle slightly at this.

Dasola wrote:
if bumping is all he does to miner, thats small hassle, set your mining ship to orbit asteroid your not mining Blink Get bumped and ship will automaticly return to mining range.

While in theory that works...they bump them away faster than they can return, thus interrupting cycles.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#477 - 2012-10-30 15:51:00 UTC
Anslo wrote:
No. They shouldn't have to leave because of some player with a vendetta against another person's gameplay.

Then they might need to learn to defend themselves or find ways to deal with other people who have a vendetta against a type of gameplay.

It's not hard to avoid people you don't want to interact with, I do it all the time in game. The difference between me and most miners is that I put in the time, research, and practice to find out how to defend myself and avoid other people.

CCP has no sense of humour.
Anslo
Scope Works
#478 - 2012-10-30 15:51:24 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
And just like before there are a lot of ways to counter it already. Miners didn't need the extra EHP and they sure as hell dont need a new anti bump module.

Well, difference of opinion. But I'll respect it.

Riot Girl wrote:
They do have something to counter it with. They have a brain and all they need to do is to learn to use it in a befitting manner.

And they've used it to make a lot of interesting hot fixes to the issue, but nothing with real permanence or assurance.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Anslo
Scope Works
#479 - 2012-10-30 15:52:53 UTC
Some Rando wrote:
Then they might need to learn to defend themselves or find ways to deal with other people who have a vendetta against a type of gameplay.

It's not hard to avoid people you don't want to interact with, I do it all the time in game. The difference between me and most miners is that I put in the time, research, and practice to find out how to defend myself and avoid other people.


Instead of dragging this out, I'm going to agree to disagree. I don't feel like arguing the same point for another 50 posts.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#480 - 2012-10-30 15:53:41 UTC
Anslo wrote:

Could say the same for nulbears during nul nerfs, low sec people for...everything, and gankers during the barge buff. They also demonized PvE and mining carebears.


But the key difference here is a group of players that demand that CCP harshly punishes other players for interacting with this group, including actions taken against the "offending" players' account and it is not the "sociopaths" or "belligerent undesirables" that demand this.

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