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Miners - Why such hatred?

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Speedkermit Damo
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-10-30 15:31:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Speedkermit Damo
I'm a new player.

I mine a bit, I have a mining barge but find it incredibly boring and only do it when I am not really concentrating on the PC. I prefer exploration. But the impression I am getting from reading these forums a bit, is that I detect a certain amount of hostility towards miners.

What I would really like to know is why is there such frothing, swivel-eyed hate for miners?

Protect me from knowing what I don't need to know. Protect me from even knowing that there are things to know that I don't know. Protect me from knowing that I decided not to know about the things that I decided not to know about. Amen.

Ginger Barbarella
#2 - 2012-10-30 15:31:33 UTC
Speedkermit Damo wrote:
I'm a new player.

I mine a bit, I have a mining barge but find it incredibly boring and only do it when I am not really concentrating on the PC. I prefer exploration. Bur from reading these forums a bit, I detect a certain hostility towards miners.

What I would really like to know is why is there such frothing, swivel-eyed hate for miners in general?


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"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac

Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2012-10-30 15:32:28 UTC
Just jealousy because they're rich and somewhat safe.

Don't be scared, because being afk is not a crime.

Speedkermit Damo
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-10-30 15:32:44 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Speedkermit Damo wrote:
I'm a new player.

I mine a bit, I have a mining barge but find it incredibly boring and only do it when I am not really concentrating on the PC. I prefer exploration. Bur from reading these forums a bit, I detect a certain hostility towards miners.

What I would really like to know is why is there such frothing, swivel-eyed hate for miners in general?


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Nah!

Protect me from knowing what I don't need to know. Protect me from even knowing that there are things to know that I don't know. Protect me from knowing that I decided not to know about the things that I decided not to know about. Amen.

Casirio
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-10-30 15:35:46 UTC
Most of it stems from hatred of AFK isk makers. Because a lot of miners mine afk, and then whine and complain when they come back to their keyboard ganked or bumped off their belt. People have a problem with anyone who can make isk without having any risk or any involvment in the game. I know not all miners are afk miners, but afk anything, I believe, should never be possible in the game.
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-10-30 15:36:21 UTC
Speedkermit Damo wrote:
What I would really like to know is why is there such frothing, swivel-eyed hate for miners in general?

The more you mine, the more you want to be "left alone" to AFK, because mining is literally the most boring **** anyone ever coded into a game. Because people want to be AFk while "playing" the game they turn into entitled, sniveling little whiners who eschew any interaction whatsoever from other players, self-victimize, and generally whine at the game developers to change PvP mechanics to suit their "needs".

Bottom line: Don't mine. Ever.

CCP has no sense of humour.

Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#7 - 2012-10-30 15:36:56 UTC
It seems you may be showing symptoms of bot aspirant behaviour.
Serf of Hurlbat
Duckfleet
#8 - 2012-10-30 15:37:05 UTC
EVE has a very strong focus on risk VS reward. For some reason, lots of people seem to think that miners are breaking the general consensus that there is no risk-free way to make ISK (I do not agree with such people).

Waddle on in.

Robert De'Arneth
#9 - 2012-10-30 15:39:59 UTC
Learn this well, play your game and ignore everything else. Their hatred is meaningless. Big smile

I'm a nerd, you can check my stats!! Skilling Int/Mem at 45 sp per minute is how I mack!     I'm like a lapdog, all bark no bite. 

Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-10-30 15:41:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Zimmy Zeta
Most specialized miners have multiple alt accounts and usually set them up to mine afk.
Many people are annoyed that those miners get a lot of iskies for being afk- they get benefits for actually NOT playing the game.

What makes things worse is that some (not all) of these miners cannot accept when their ships are attacked and killed whilst they could do nothing to defend them (because they were afk and did not fit a decent tank).
These people start whine threads on the forum and try to blackmail ccp to change game mechanics in their favour or else they would cancel all their numerous accounts.
The general sentiment amongst the saner people here is that if you decide to put yourself at risk by being afk or not tanking your ship, you should have at least enough spine to accept the possible consequences and not cry like a little female dog.

I think this should sum it up for you.

I hope I was at least a little helpful.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.

Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#11 - 2012-10-30 15:42:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Roll Sizzle Beef
Its really the games fault for developing mining as a boring drag ass mechanic. The only exciting part HAS been players harassing the miners. Though the vitriol between the two groups used to be contained mostly during the hulkageddon months, yet now its just every damn day.
I think because everyone is running out of things to complain about as they have been fixing hundreds of little things in the recent expansions. UI whines have dipped off significantly after most got used to it. Only other current topic people have been railing has been about ISD on the forums. Oldie complaints of course are afk cloaks, moon goo, and captains quarters, incursion runners, lvl4 missions, concord too powerful, ganking too hard, ganking too easy, low sec sucks, nul sucks, high sucks, ratting botters, not enough new things, not enough old things being fixed, this model sucks, that model sucks, local should be removed, t3 too good, CCP ignores feedback, CCP are trying to make it Pay to win, t2 bpos, wait... they are not running out of things to complain about. Its GD. Same bunk, different day.
Geligdio Khan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-10-30 15:58:53 UTC


There is a mining lobby which constantly asks for easier, safer, more profitable mining.

Most players resent this and would like to see the only way to improve mining profits to be to move to Low/Null, where you can shot at like any respectable member of the community.

The carebears have a lot of power at the moment and lots of other players find that frustrating.

Thanks

Norm Tempesta
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-10-30 16:02:14 UTC
I don't have a single issue with miners.

Whiny mineys however, need to be shot.
Metal Icarus
Star Frontiers
Brotherhood of Spacers
#14 - 2012-10-30 16:06:19 UTC
people who ***** about miners are ******* retards with nothing better to do. Seriously. They get mad at you for mining just because you are mining.

James315 makes his living bumping miners in highsec.

Pussies hate miners.
Josef Djugashvilis
#15 - 2012-10-30 16:06:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Josef Djugashvilis
Casirio wrote:
Most of it stems from hatred of AFK isk makers. Because a lot of miners mine afk, and then whine and complain when they come back to their keyboard ganked or bumped off their belt. People have a problem with anyone who can make isk without having any risk or any involvment in the game. I know not all miners are afk miners, but afk anything, I believe, should never be possible in the game.


How do you know that a 'lot of miners mine afk'?

I have no more idea how many miners mine afk than you do.

Too many opinions, too few facts.

This is not a signature.

Robert De'Arneth
#16 - 2012-10-30 16:08:25 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Casirio wrote:
Most of it stems from hatred of AFK isk makers. Because a lot of miners mine afk, and then whine and complain when they come back to their keyboard ganked or bumped off their belt. People have a problem with anyone who can make isk without having any risk or any involvment in the game. I know not all miners are afk miners, but afk anything, I believe, should never be possible in the game.


How do you know that a 'lot of miners mine afk'?

I have no more idea how many miners mine afk any more than you do.

Too many opinions, too few facts.



They make these claims to somehow make themsleves feel important and all knowing.

I'm a nerd, you can check my stats!! Skilling Int/Mem at 45 sp per minute is how I mack!     I'm like a lapdog, all bark no bite. 

DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#17 - 2012-10-30 16:10:34 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Rordan D'Kherr wrote:
Just jealousy because they're rich and somewhat safe.

FIXED

Null Seccers & gankers hate them because they want EZer lambs to the slaughter & all to often miners do not oblige by going to lo & other non safe places like lemmings
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#18 - 2012-10-30 16:11:54 UTC
Speedkermit Damo wrote:

What I would really like to know is why is there such frothing, swivel-eyed hate for miners?


There's no hatred. They're just easy, profitable kills. Hint: stop being an easy, profitable target.
Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-10-30 16:45:24 UTC
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
Most specialized miners have multiple alt accounts and usually set them up to mine afk.
Many people are annoyed that those miners get a lot of iskies for being afk- they get benefits for actually NOT playing the game.

What makes things worse is that some (not all) of these miners cannot accept when their ships are attacked and killed whilst they could do nothing to defend them (because they were afk and did not fit a decent tank).
These people start whine threads on the forum and try to blackmail ccp to change game mechanics in their favour or else they would cancel all their numerous accounts.
The general sentiment amongst the saner people here is that if you decide to put yourself at risk by being afk or not tanking your ship, you should have at least enough spine to accept the possible consequences and not cry like a little female dog.

I think this should sum it up for you.

I hope I was at least a little helpful.



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Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#20 - 2012-10-30 16:58:36 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
How do you know that a 'lot of miners mine afk'?

I have no more idea how many miners mine afk than you do.

Too many opinions, too few facts.

Observation. As an Agent of the New Order, I spend a lot of my time surrounded by miners, and I am therefore at liberty to study them closely. A significant majority of them mine AFK.

In response to the OP, there are several reasons why there is a general disdain of miners among the EVE population. Here are some of them.

Mining is, in its very essence, a bot-aspirant profession. Even a worthy miner is effectively sitting there doing nothing while his ship blasts asteroids. You'd think that such an activity would only have minimal profits, but no; mining can be one of the most profitable professions in the game. Isn't there something wrong with this?

There's also the problem that miners as a group have had some of the most profoundly negative effects on the game. The reason that hisec nowadays is so much safer and more secure than it was when EVE launched is almost exclusively due to the forum whining of miners. The mining barge buff was due to miners whinging about how easy it was to gank them, as was the buffing of CONCORD and countless other things which have had negative impacts on the way other people want to play.

The obvious counter to this argument is that gankers have negative impacts on the way miners want to play. However, this is not correct. EVE is a sandbox, and that means that you use the tools CCP has put in the sandbox to achieve your goal. In the case of a ganker, this means he expends a ship, all his modules and some sec status to blow up a miner. In the case of a miner, it used to mean that a miner could expend some ore yield to make it harder for a ganker to blow him up. But not content with this, miners petitioned CCP until CCP made it so that miners could easily thwart gankers without having to worry about building fits or sacrificing ore yield.

So yeah. That's some of why people don't like miners.
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