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Miners Unite to Fight the New Order!

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Anslo
Scope Works
#441 - 2012-10-30 15:07:43 UTC
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:

Perhaps you're misinterpreting them. The posts on www.MinerBumping.com aid people in understanding and correctly following the Code. Any examples that are used are solely for illustrative purposes.

If you're taking them the wrong way, I'm afraid that's your fault. At no point does James encourage anyone to post hurtful things on the forums.


I like how you keep posting the website as if to annoy me with your constant advertising. Nice try though.

Your code is not in game rules and are not from the company or in game authority. Therefore your code is moot. Your illustrations are tailored to goad people on, anyone who speaks English can see that. Also, James through his actions egg on his own "followers" to target miners whether IG abuse or verbal abuse. Either way, his "followers" actions are his responsibility as the so called "Supreme Protector."

I am not taking them the wrong way, you are simply trying to troll me.

Riot Girl wrote:
There is nothing wrong with it, but they shouldn't be able to do it without the risk of being punished for it. Specifically 'mind their own business' i.e carrying on like there are no other players in the game or that other players should pose no threat to them and therefore require no attention or precautionary measures to counter their influence.

Without the risk of being punished? Sounds a lot like the miner bumpers situation too. Hmm...
You also seem upset that miners are ignoring you or not interacting with you. Why?

baltec1 wrote:
Anslo wrote:


What is wrong with miners wanting to use their tools to mine and mind their own business and their own corp/friends?


Nothing at all.

Whats wrong with someone blowing up said miner because he was stupid and fitted no tank or bumping him to extort a ransom?

Blowing up is one thing. Blow them up back. Bumping has no counter IG. If there was something like an anchor module that kept em stuck for 10 minutes to not be bumped, but easily ganked unless their tanked, then this would not be an issue at all.

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Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#442 - 2012-10-30 15:08:45 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Blowing up is one thing. Bumping cannot be actively countered despite past arguments. The "counters" are (non-minmatar) duct tape fixes. Whether you agree with me or not is irrelevant to me. I believe it's unfair to them.

And your opinion matters due to what credibility?

CCP has no sense of humour.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#443 - 2012-10-30 15:11:48 UTC
Anslo wrote:
You also seem upset that miners are ignoring you or not interacting with you. Why?

I am not upset that miners may ignore or refuse to interact with me. I have interacted with miners in the past and I found their company to be unsatisfactory.

Oh god.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#444 - 2012-10-30 15:12:03 UTC
Anslo wrote:

Blowing up is one thing. Blow them up back. Bumping has no counter IG. If there was something like an anchor module that kept em stuck for 10 minutes to not be bumped, but easily ganked unless their tanked, then this would not be an issue at all.


There are a good number of mods in game to counter bumping already...

This really isnt an issue if miners stopped to think for a bit. But no, they are doing exactly the same thing as when they whined about ganking.
Anslo
Scope Works
#445 - 2012-10-30 15:12:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Anslo
Trollwoman wrote:
No need to fear!

Trollwoman is here!


Dude your neck.

Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:

So what's the counter to a gate camp? Speed fits, taking another route, etc. Yet you can still be caught out by a gate camp. Does this make it a duct tape fix, in that it isn't comprehensive? Should every activity in the game have an absolute counter, or should we be content with making it harder to target us (in the case of miner bumping, there are certainly ways to make yourself harder to bump)?


As you see in my post above, I consider true fixes to be in game. For instance, there are warp stabs, speed fits, etc as you mentioned. There is no anchor or counter-bump modules. If there were, then the miner could not be bumped, but could nto avoid gank unless he was tanked. To me, then it's fair. The miners have a counter, but also risk a full fledge gank they can't avoid. Risk/Reward.

Some Rando wrote:
And your opinion matters due to what credibility?


The credibility that I did not have to rely on the "go back to [insert game here]" mentality to counter an argument. Also post with your main.

Riot Girl wrote:
I am not upset that miners may ignore or refuse to interact with me. I have interacted with miners in the past and I found their company to be unsatisfactory.

Then why complain about their ignoring or noninteraction? It shouldn't bother you.

baltec1 wrote:


There are a good number of mods in game to counter bumping already...

This really isnt an issue if miners stopped to think for a bit. But no, they are doing exactly the same thing as when they whined about ganking.


There are "counters" to bumping, you're right...but not full mechanics. I don't know. I see your point though. I'm just jaded and bitter by the polarity of pvp vs. pve and am more pro-pve because of some pvpers mentality and attitudes towards anyone "playing it wrong." It's a game.

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Ghazu
#446 - 2012-10-30 15:12:33 UTC
Sandbox means that players decide whether a place will be a warzone or not.

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#447 - 2012-10-30 15:14:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Kainotomiu Ronuken
Anslo wrote:
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:

Perhaps you're misinterpreting them. The posts on www.MinerBumping.com aid people in understanding and correctly following the Code. Any examples that are used are solely for illustrative purposes.

If you're taking them the wrong way, I'm afraid that's your fault. At no point does James encourage anyone to post hurtful things on the forums.


I like how you keep posting the website as if to annoy me with your constant advertising. Nice try though.

Your code is not in game rules and are not from the company or in game authority. Therefore your code is moot. Your illustrations are tailored to goad people on, anyone who speaks English can see that. Also, James through his actions egg on his own "followers" to target miners whether IG abuse or verbal abuse. Either way, his "followers" actions are his responsibility as the so called "Supreme Protector."

I am not taking them the wrong way, you are simply trying to troll me.

Let's approach this sensibly.

We know that EVE is a sandbox. What does this mean? It means that EVE is a game where players are allowed to do whatever they like within the broadly defined mechanics created by CCP.

More specifically, this means that if a group of players (such as the one at www.MinerBumping.com) decides to create a set of rules (or dare I say it, a Code) and enforce it, it is far from moot. In fact, it is just as valid as CCP's rules as long as we can enforce it.

As for your claim that James is responsible for the actions of any follower, please, I invite you to quote one post on www.MinerBumping.com that encourages Agents to come and harass you here.

Anslo wrote:
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:

So what's the counter to a gate camp? Speed fits, taking another route, etc. Yet you can still be caught out by a gate camp. Does this make it a duct tape fix, in that it isn't comprehensive? Should every activity in the game have an absolute counter, or should we be content with making it harder to target us (in the case of miner bumping, there are certainly ways to make yourself harder to bump)?


As you see in my post above, I consider true fixes to be in game. For instance, there are warp stabs, speed fits, etc as you mentioned. There is no anchor or counter-bump modules. If there were, then the miner could not be bumped, but could nto avoid gank unless he was tanked. To me, then it's fair. The miners have a counter, but also risk a full fledge gank they can't avoid. Risk/Reward.

Please. The Orbit button isn't ingame? Webs aren't ingame? The Approach button isn't ingame? Afterburners and inertia stabs aren't ingame?
Robert De'Arneth
#448 - 2012-10-30 15:14:36 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Anslo wrote:


What is wrong with miners wanting to use their tools to mine and mind their own business and their own corp/friends?


Nothing at all.

Whats wrong with someone blowing up said miner because he was stupid and fitted no tank or bumping him to extort a ransom?



Nothing at all Sir, when my ship leaves the dock it is no longer my ship.

I'm a nerd, you can check my stats!! Skilling Int/Mem at 45 sp per minute is how I mack!     I'm like a lapdog, all bark no bite. 
Ghazu
#449 - 2012-10-30 15:14:39 UTC
Why not just orbit to counter ganks, and bumpers can get bumped too

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
Trollwoman
#450 - 2012-10-30 15:15:00 UTC
I was bumped by a miner recently.

He was a meanie,
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#451 - 2012-10-30 15:15:31 UTC
Anslo wrote:
The credibility that I did not have to rely on the "go back to [insert game here]" mentality to counter an argument.

I offered an alternative game where a player would not be burdened by unnecessary interaction, such as being blown up, or being bumped, or even being talked to.

Anslo wrote:
Also post with your main.

I can't, but thanks for playing.

Nice to see you doing it now, did your little "Max Doobie" plaything get banned because you flipped out earlier?

CCP has no sense of humour.
Ghazu
#452 - 2012-10-30 15:18:54 UTC
Hey guys guys guys let's get back to topic, I thought this thread was about the miners getting organized, that they were going to "do something" in-game for once but looks like they are just going do what worked last time.

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
Anslo
Scope Works
#453 - 2012-10-30 15:18:55 UTC
Ghazu wrote:
Why not just orbit to counter ganks, and bumpers can get bumped too


Barges are too slow, they can be knocked off an asteroid 30km+ before they ever make 5 km back.

Kainotomiu Ronuken
Let's approach this sensibly. [/quote wrote:

Sure.

Quote:
We know that EVE is a sandbox. What does this mean? It means that EVE is a game where players are allowed to do whatever they like within the broadly defined mechanics created by CCP.

Absolutely. Freedom to play.

Quote:
More specifically, this means that if a group of players (such as the one at www.MinerBumping.com) decides to create a set of rules (or dare I say it, a Code) and enforce it, it is far from moot. In fact, it is just as valid as CCP's rules as long as we can enforce it.

I like how you continue to advertise to try to goad me. It's amusing. But OK. But I and others do not and will not recognize your "code" as law. They will simply mine out of your reach and continue to do so, save for those staying put for their own principals (which in itself is commendable).

[quote]As for your claim that James is responsible for the actions of any follower, please, I invite you to quote one post on www.MinerBumping.com that encourages Agents to come and harass you here.


Here or in game, his actions and verbage to others he posts on the site shows enough of how he targets and eggs individuals on. If you cannot see that, then I'm sorry you are not capable of conversation analysis. Also, advertise moar.

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Ginger Barbarella
#454 - 2012-10-30 15:19:08 UTC
Ran a routine L2 mission last night while working on Minnie standings, and there were 2 rooms PACKED with Scordite,Veld, and Omber (I was up millions of units of Scor and Omber before I bailed for the night, and hadn't hit the fields for more than 30%). Orca and two Macks, not a single peep, almost nobody in Local. Oh, and a couple nice pirate tags to add to the pile.

If you put yourself in a position to get bumped by Jimmie and his pre-pubescent buddies, you deserve it.

lrn2eve

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#455 - 2012-10-30 15:19:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
the problem with an anchor module is that the afk miners would moan, throw tantrums, unsub and act like general babbies unless CCP made it a midslot module that used no CPU, no powergrid and did not require any fuel to be used, because god forbid they have to make difficult fitting choices

and then it'd be solely tailored for miners and useless outside of mining

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"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Anslo
Scope Works
#456 - 2012-10-30 15:21:24 UTC
Some Rando wrote:
I offered an alternative game where a player would not be burdened by unnecessary interaction, such as being blown up, or being bumped, or even being talked to.

While that might work elsewhere, I know well enough the community's "attitude" towards assumed "whiners." It's an intended insult saying 'Eve does not want you, get out (p.s. give me your stuff). They like Eve the game, but not the people who play it. There's no requirement for them to have to bother talking to you or others. Besides, how do you know they talk to no one at all? Do you have evidence?

Anslo wrote:
I can't, but thanks for playing.

Nice to see you doing it now, did your little "Max Doobie" plaything get banned because you flipped out earlier?


Max? I do not have an alt named Max, but thanks for playing.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Anslo
Scope Works
#457 - 2012-10-30 15:23:01 UTC
Andski wrote:
the problem with an anchor module is that the afk miners would moan, throw tantrums, unsub and act like general babbies unless CCP made it a midslot module that used no CPU, no powergrid and did not require any fuel to be used, because god forbid they have to make difficult fitting choices

and then it'd be solely tailored for miners and useless outside of mining


And here is a post I finally agree with. You're 100% CORRECT. They'd whine definitely. But there would be a module ready for them to use. As I said, if that module or in-game mechanic was available to them, I wouldn't bother arguing with them and would simply say HTFU. But for now, there isn't.

But I do agree with you on the above point.

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Ginger Barbarella
#458 - 2012-10-30 15:23:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Ginger Barbarella
Anslo wrote:
We were simply defending our right to not have our playstyle removed because miners didnt like losing ships to their own stupidity


I see what you did there. Blink Crying shame most posters won't.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#459 - 2012-10-30 15:24:43 UTC
Anslo wrote:


There are "counters" to bumping, you're right...but not full mechanics. I don't know. I see your point though. I'm just jaded and bitter by the polarity of pvp vs. pve and am more pro-pve because of some pvpers mentality and attitudes towards anyone "playing it wrong." It's a game.


Most of the hate comes from the miners themselves.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#460 - 2012-10-30 15:25:35 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Some Rando wrote:
Some people prefer to blow up ships or interrupt your activities in order to affect you, what is wrong with them using those tools, in much the same way you use the market and a mining laser?


What is wrong with miners wanting to use their tools to mine and mind their own business and their own corp/friends?


Disgusting miner filth are not "minding their own business", they sell their rocks or manufacture with them. That is not minding their own business. That is directly influencing the market and availability of everything.

There is no such thing as solo in EVE. They chose mining as their means of interacting with others, the other chose ganking or bumping as their means of interacting.

If you want to be left "alone" then you are not allowed to sell your spacerocks, use them to manufacture anything, etc. Actually, you're not even allowed to activate your laser as it depletes resources that real players - and yes, even miners can be real players - may use.