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Miners Unite to Fight the New Order!

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Anslo
Scope Works
#421 - 2012-10-30 14:34:44 UTC
Some Rando wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Not the statement, the fact that miners take abuse.

See, that's what gets me. Here we're playing a PvP sandbox game and we have a subset of "players" (one wonders why we keep up the pretense, they're actually robots) who "take" abuse. Given that we're:
A. Playing a video game
B. Playing a PvP game
C. Playing a sandbox game
I have to ask why anyone is forced to "take abuse"?

I have no pity, whatsoever, for people who consider themselves "victims" in a video game.


Forced because they wish to do x in a game, and subset A abuses subset B for doing x. If subset B went to do y or z, they would not be enjoying the "sandbox" as you so call it. That is why it's forced. It's either do what they like/love, or do something they reall don't like because some loud mouth individual does not approve of their game play choice.

Alpheias wrote:

I don't think you are stupid enough (though correct me if I am wrong and I'll change this post accordingly) not to notice this; but carebears in general are very loud, self-serving, self-victimizing and goes to length to demonize any group or individual that is enjoying core game design, like PvP.


Could say the same for nulbears during nul nerfs, low sec people for...everything, and gankers during the barge buff. They also demonized PvE and mining carebears.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Robert De'Arneth
#422 - 2012-10-30 14:37:05 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Some Rando wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Not the statement, the fact that miners take abuse.

See, that's what gets me. Here we're playing a PvP sandbox game and we have a subset of "players" (one wonders why we keep up the pretense, they're actually robots) who "take" abuse. Given that we're:
A. Playing a video game
B. Playing a PvP game
C. Playing a sandbox game
I have to ask why anyone is forced to "take abuse"?

I have no pity, whatsoever, for people who consider themselves "victims" in a video game.


Forced because they wish to do x in a game, and subset A abuses subset B for doing x. If subset B went to do y or z, they would not be enjoying the "sandbox" as you so call it. That is why it's forced. It's either do what they like/love, or do something they reall don't like because some loud mouth individual does not approve of their game play choice.

Alpheias wrote:

I don't think you are stupid enough (though correct me if I am wrong and I'll change this post accordingly) not to notice this; but carebears in general are very loud, self-serving, self-victimizing and goes to length to demonize any group or individual that is enjoying core game design, like PvP.


Could say the same for nulbears during nul nerfs, low sec people for...everything, and gankers during the barge buff. They also demonized PvE and mining carebears.



Logic has been lost in thred since page 1.

I'm a nerd, you can check my stats!! Skilling Int/Mem at 45 sp per minute is how I mack!     I'm like a lapdog, all bark no bite. 

Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#423 - 2012-10-30 14:41:42 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Forced because they wish to do x in a game, and subset A abuses subset B for doing x. If subset B went to do y or z, they would not be enjoying the "sandbox" as you so call it. That is why it's forced. It's either do what they like/love, or do something they reall don't like because some loud mouth individual does not approve of their game play choice.

That's what's called "interaction". Miners affect every other player in the game and you're telling me they shouldn't have to interact with anyone else? Go play ******* Farmville.

If you're that distressed that someone might "interact" with you, you really need to stop playing multiplayer games, especially PvP sandbox games that thrive on interaction with other players.

CCP has no sense of humour.

Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#424 - 2012-10-30 14:46:35 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
He hasn't posted in this thread, as far as I'm aware. Do you mean to say he's provoking the miners to flame people in this thread? I'm not sure I fully understand what you mean.

I'm referring to his website.

I'm still not fully sure what you mean. Where on www.MinerBumping.com does James encourage anyone to post anything to the forums, let alone flaming and trolling posts?
Robert De'Arneth
#425 - 2012-10-30 14:51:03 UTC
Some Rando wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Forced because they wish to do x in a game, and subset A abuses subset B for doing x. If subset B went to do y or z, they would not be enjoying the "sandbox" as you so call it. That is why it's forced. It's either do what they like/love, or do something they reall don't like because some loud mouth individual does not approve of their game play choice.

That's what's called "interaction". Miners affect every other player in the game and you're telling me they shouldn't have to interact with anyone else? Go play ******* Farmville.

If you're that distressed that someone might "interact" with you, you really need to stop playing multiplayer games, especially PvP sandbox games that thrive on interaction with other players.



Why do you make false claims that miners do not interact with people? I interact with people every time I login, even when offline by selling minerals. You have lost the plot dude, and you lying and acting like you know what every miner does is quite sad.

You are worse then the miners who cry about getting ganked. Let me clue in , pvp in this game involves the market not just ships.

I'm a nerd, you can check my stats!! Skilling Int/Mem at 45 sp per minute is how I mack!     I'm like a lapdog, all bark no bite. 

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#426 - 2012-10-30 14:53:35 UTC
Anslo wrote:


Could say the same for nulbears during nul nerfs, low sec people for...everything, and gankers during the barge buff. They also demonized PvE and mining carebears.


We were simply defending our right to not have our playstyle removed because miners didnt like losing ships to their own stupidity and also trying to have balanced barges. Needless to say the bears managed to get both things and now we have unbalanced barges that cannot be profitably ganked.

End result is both parties got screwed over.
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#427 - 2012-10-30 14:54:31 UTC
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
Why do you make false claims that miners do not interact with people? I interact with people every time I login, even when offline by selling minerals. You have lost the plot dude, and you lying and acting like you know what every miner does is quite sad.

You are worse then the miners who cry about getting ganked. Let me clue in , pvp in this game involves the market not just ships.

It involves all sorts of player versus player interaction, this is very true. Are you claiming miners should be exempt from a certain type of interaction? Some people prefer to blow up ships or interrupt your activities in order to affect you, what is wrong with them using those tools, in much the same way you use the market and a mining laser?

CCP has no sense of humour.

Nanatoa
#428 - 2012-10-30 14:54:38 UTC
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
Let me clue in , pvp in this game involves the market not just ships.


Look at this elite pvp'er, engaging in high-level interaction by selling his hard-earned ore in direct cut-throat competition with botters and afk'ers. I am sure you are showing them how wrong they are by undercutting their already craptastically low prices!

"Stay the course, we have done this many times before." - (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011

Anslo
Scope Works
#429 - 2012-10-30 14:56:40 UTC
Some Rando wrote:
That's what's called "interaction". Miners affect every other player in the game and you're telling me they shouldn't have to interact with anyone else? Go play ******* Farmville.

If you're that distressed that someone might "interact" with you, you really need to stop playing multiplayer games, especially PvP sandbox games that thrive on interaction with other players.

I like how you immediately think I'm a miner from my statement alone. It clearly shows that you do not have the correct information to argue your point validly. This is shown more through your "farmville" reference.

It is a sandbox, not a war zone. Let the miners mine. Also, If I was so "distressed" by interaction, why would I be on the forums talking to you?

Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
I'm still not fully sure what you mean. Where on www.MinerBumping.com does James encourage anyone to post anything to the forums, let alone flaming and trolling posts?

His blogs point people out, egg them on, and goad people passive aggressively through seemingly innocuous posts.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Anslo
Scope Works
#430 - 2012-10-30 14:58:31 UTC
Some Rando wrote:
Some people prefer to blow up ships or interrupt your activities in order to affect you, what is wrong with them using those tools, in much the same way you use the market and a mining laser?


What is wrong with miners wanting to use their tools to mine and mind their own business and their own corp/friends?

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#431 - 2012-10-30 14:59:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Kainotomiu Ronuken
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
Why do you make false claims that miners do not interact with people? I interact with people every time I login, even when offline by selling minerals. You have lost the plot dude, and you lying and acting like you know what every miner does is quite sad.

You are worse then the miners who cry about getting ganked. Let me clue in , pvp in this game involves the market not just ships.

Let's quickly run through the schedule of the average miner - not you, the average miner. I don't care what you do.


  • The miner logs on. He checks his sell orders, and undercuts the current lowest seller by 0.01 ISK.
  • The miner activates his mining barge, undocks and warps to the ice belt.
  • He selects an ice 'roid, activates his lasers, and goes to do something else.
  • When he's filled his hold, he returns to station, processes the ore and lists whatever product he's made at 0.01 ISK below the current price.
  • Repeat from step 2.

At no point in this cycle does the miner contribute to the gameplay of another person.
Anslo
Scope Works
#432 - 2012-10-30 15:00:50 UTC
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
Why do you make false claims that miners do not interact with people? I interact with people every time I login, even when offline by selling minerals. You have lost the plot dude, and you lying and acting like you know what every miner does is quite sad.

You are worse then the miners who cry about getting ganked. Let me clue in , pvp in this game involves the market not just ships.

Let's quickly run through the schedule of the average miner - not you, the average miner. I don't care what you do.


  • The miner logs on. He checks his sell orders, and undercuts the current lowest seller by 0.01 ISK.
  • The miner activates his mining barge, undocks and warps to the ice belt.
  • He selects an ice 'roid, activates his lasers, and goes to do something else.
  • When he's filled his hold, he returns to station, processes the ore and lists whatever product he's made at 0.01 ISK below the current price.
  • Repeat from step 2.

At no point in this cycle does the miner contribute to the gameplay of another person.


Why does he have to contribute anything? He doesn't owe anyone a contribution?

Also..why if your quote weird?

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#433 - 2012-10-30 15:01:20 UTC
Anslo wrote:
It is a sandbox, not a war zone. Let the miners mine.

This is a terrible post.

Anslo wrote:
What is wrong with miners wanting to use their tools to mine and mind their own business and their own corp/friends?

There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. What is wrong with people bumping or blowing them up if they want to affect them?

CCP has no sense of humour.

Robert De'Arneth
#434 - 2012-10-30 15:01:28 UTC
Nanatoa wrote:
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
Let me clue in , pvp in this game involves the market not just ships.


Look at this elite pvp'er, engaging in high-level interaction by selling his hard-earned ore in direct cut-throat competition with botters and afk'ers. I am sure you are showing them how wrong they are by undercutting their already craptastically low prices!



You somehow assume I need your approval, sorry James, I play the game I want. I know it hurts you, but oh well.

I'm a nerd, you can check my stats!! Skilling Int/Mem at 45 sp per minute is how I mack!     I'm like a lapdog, all bark no bite. 

Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#435 - 2012-10-30 15:02:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Kainotomiu Ronuken
Anslo wrote:

His blogs point people out, egg them on, and goad people passive aggressively through seemingly innocuous posts.

Perhaps you're misinterpreting them. The posts on www.MinerBumping.com aid people in understanding and correctly following the Code. Any examples that are used are solely for illustrative purposes.

If you're taking them the wrong way, I'm afraid that's your fault. At no point does James encourage anyone to post hurtful things on the forums.

Robert De'Arneth wrote:
You somehow assume I need your approval, sorry James, I play the game I want. I know it hurts you, but oh well.

Actually I think Nanatoa might have been gently poking fun at you.
Anslo
Scope Works
#436 - 2012-10-30 15:03:07 UTC
Some Rando wrote:
This is a terrible post.

And your opinion matters due to what credibility?

Anslo wrote:
There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. What is wrong with people bumping or blowing them up if they want to affect them?

Blowing up is one thing. Bumping cannot be actively countered despite past arguments. The "counters" are (non-minmatar) duct tape fixes. Whether you agree with me or not is irrelevant to me. I believe it's unfair to them.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#437 - 2012-10-30 15:03:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Riot Girl
Anslo wrote:
What is wrong with miners wanting to use their tools to mine and mind their own business and their own corp/friends?

There is nothing wrong with it, but they shouldn't be able to do it without the risk of being punished for it. Specifically 'mind their own business' i.e carrying on like there are no other players in the game or that other players should pose no threat to them and therefore require no attention or precautionary measures to counter their influence.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#438 - 2012-10-30 15:03:45 UTC
Anslo wrote:


What is wrong with miners wanting to use their tools to mine and mind their own business and their own corp/friends?


Nothing at all.

Whats wrong with someone blowing up said miner because he was stupid and fitted no tank or bumping him to extort a ransom?
Trollwoman
#439 - 2012-10-30 15:06:07 UTC
No need to fear!

Trollwoman is here!
Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#440 - 2012-10-30 15:06:42 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Blowing up is one thing. Bumping cannot be actively countered despite past arguments. The "counters" are (non-minmatar) duct tape fixes. Whether you agree with me or not is irrelevant to me. I believe it's unfair to them.

So what's the counter to a gate camp? Speed fits, taking another route, etc. Yet you can still be caught out by a gate camp. Does this make it a duct tape fix, in that it isn't comprehensive? Should every activity in the game have an absolute counter, or should we be content with making it harder to target us (in the case of miner bumping, there are certainly ways to make yourself harder to bump)?