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dread is it really that scary
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Rammes lol
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-10-30 14:10:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Rammes lol
ok im looking to fly a dread, more so the moros im already a carrier pilot. Now im not looking to pvp ship to ship but really just POS Bash. So the question is what ship is more usefull for a hit and run on a POS im looking for high DPS fitts

another thing is there another use for dreads or is it just a big POS basher?
can i engage a nother cap and do good damage
can i engage a sub-cap and kill it

If you find yourself in a fair fight in EvE your tactics suck!!!
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-10-30 14:22:57 UTC
Dreads are designed to do two things:

Bash stationary structures
Kill other capital ships

That said, they're really almost useless alone. Even in a high DPS dread, you're going to spend a while shooting at the tower to reinforce it, and even longer to kill it, and that's after you take out the guns, of course.

Against sub-caps, they are LOL-useless. You can't track them, and even if they sit still you won't hit them.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
The Renner
Canadian Operations
#3 - 2012-10-30 14:36:27 UTC
confirming blap dreads are not a thing.
Lucy Oreless
Rise of Rephaim
#4 - 2012-10-30 14:50:57 UTC
Tracking Dreads... The menace of 0.0

 I did not have sexual relations to THAT woman....
Hatsumi Kobayashi
Perkone
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-10-30 15:07:41 UTC
De'Veldrin wrote:
Against sub-caps, they are LOL-useless. You can't track them, and even if they sit still you won't hit them.


I was going to write a lenghty reply detailing why you are entirely wrong on this point, but then I realized you were in IRC.

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Dibblerette
Solitude-Industries
#6 - 2012-10-30 15:15:08 UTC
With the right ship and fleet setups, people have had great results dropping a dreadnought on battleship gangs and blapping them like so many shuttles with a smartbomb.

I believe the Moros and Revelation are king for this, not sure which is tops. Nag can sort of make do, and as usual Phoenix is garbage.
Cerlin
#7 - 2012-10-30 21:10:38 UTC
Look up some of Ncdots recent complete whipes of the drone coallition (especially Imperial legion) and you will find some of the most effective use of dreads in a subcap fight I have seen recently.

400 drakes down in 3 days? Yes please. I want a moros now.

Just happy to have avoided these fights.
Seleucus Ontuas
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-10-30 22:28:01 UTC
De'Veldrin wrote:
Against sub-caps, they are LOL-useless. You can't track them, and even if they sit still you won't hit them.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2ti9DFeRMI
Hathrul
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-10-30 23:20:56 UTC
Rammes lol wrote:

can i engage a nother cap and do good damage

yes. dreads will hit capitals just fine for massive damage.

Quote:

can i engage a sub-cap and kill it


yes and no. solo you cant do anything and you will be extremely vulnerable. but with some ships to web and paint battlecruisers or bigger you can hit them just fine for a lot of damage. with enough support even cruisers will die easily. but you need a fleet, to survive and to get the EW support.
Huttan Funaila
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-10-31 00:40:17 UTC
Seleucus Ontuas wrote:
De'Veldrin wrote:
Against sub-caps, they are LOL-useless. You can't track them, and even if they sit still you won't hit them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2ti9DFeRMI
Alright. If I think I'm watching that video correctly, the Revelation was using 2 sensor boosters with scan resolution scripts, 2 target painters, 3 lasers and is in siege mode. It was blowing up Drakes in 2 volleys? But the pilot had to change ammo to dent the Maelstroms? Am I missing something?
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-10-31 04:01:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Miton
De'Veldrin wrote:
Against sub-caps, they are LOL-useless. You can't track them, and even if they sit still you won't hit them.


mmhmm, you keep telling yourself that.
There are better examples out there but this one's the easiest to find for me so I'll just leave this here as an example of their uselessness:
http://dontshootx.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=9952

of the 14 KMs, dreads are in the top 3 damage dealers in 11 of them, the single top of 10 and final blow of 9.
most people in WHs have since learned not to take battleships anywhere near a sieged dread.

That said, they are not solo ships.

PS: regarding that video, a 'tracking' dread with no tracking comps is not a tracking dread....

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Goldensaver
Maraque Enterprises
Just let it happen
#12 - 2012-10-31 05:08:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Goldensaver
Huttan Funaila wrote:
Seleucus Ontuas wrote:
De'Veldrin wrote:
Against sub-caps, they are LOL-useless. You can't track them, and even if they sit still you won't hit them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2ti9DFeRMI
Alright. If I think I'm watching that video correctly, the Revelation was using 2 sensor boosters with scan resolution scripts, 2 target painters, 3 lasers and is in siege mode. It was blowing up Drakes in 2 volleys? But the pilot had to change ammo to dent the Maelstroms? Am I missing something?


I didn't see him change ammo until later in the fight, when he swapped to Standard crystals because the enemy drakes had pulled range at that point.


But he was denting the Maels, when he hit them well. As it was, he wasn't hitting for full damage (or at all) a good portion of the time.

One of the things about Blap Dreads is that they need support. Webs, TP's, etc. If you can leave their MWD on while reducing their speed to nothing, even better. But you have to get their transversal down, their sig radius up, and your tracking up, but they can do nasty things to sub-caps (except the *Chimera Phoenix, that's... a different story entirely.)

*Edited for fail.
Seleucus Ontuas
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-10-31 12:06:02 UTC
Huttan Funaila wrote:
Seleucus Ontuas wrote:
De'Veldrin wrote:
Against sub-caps, they are LOL-useless. You can't track them, and even if they sit still you won't hit them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2ti9DFeRMI
Alright. If I think I'm watching that video correctly, the Revelation was using 2 sensor boosters with scan resolution scripts, 2 target painters, 3 lasers and is in siege mode. It was blowing up Drakes in 2 volleys? But the pilot had to change ammo to dent the Maelstroms? Am I missing something?


Hilariously enough, Drakes with Furies loaded can have a larger sig than Minmatar Battleships. Also, the majority of those Drakes were MWDing (even more sig bloom), the two Maelstroms at the end were not, I believe.
Rammes lol
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-10-31 16:53:33 UTC
well convinced im going to get one. now what would be better the amarr revolation or gallente moros

If you find yourself in a fair fight in EvE your tactics suck!!!
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-10-31 17:06:21 UTC
De'Veldrin wrote:
Dreads are designed to do Three things:

Bash stationary structures
Kill other capital ships
Make massive isk with Wormhole cap escalations

That said, they're really almost useless alone. Even in a high DPS dread, you're going to spend a while shooting at the tower to reinforce it, and even longer to kill it, and that's after you take out the guns, of course.

Against sub-caps, they are LOL-useless. You can't track them, and even if they sit still you won't hit them.



Fixed that for you.
Destoya
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#16 - 2012-10-31 17:16:09 UTC
Rammes lol wrote:
well convinced im going to get one. now what would be better the amarr revolation or gallente moros


Moros is better than rev in every way except that you need to reload after obliterating whatever your guns are facing.
Hatsumi Kobayashi
Perkone
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-10-31 21:28:58 UTC
Destoya wrote:
Rammes lol wrote:
well convinced im going to get one. now what would be better the amarr revolation or gallente moros


Moros is better than rev in every way except that you need to reload after obliterating whatever your guns are facing.


AMARR VICTOR

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Yorick rashnikov
The Illuminatii
Wrecktical Supremacy.
#18 - 2012-11-01 07:25:39 UTC
Destoya wrote:
Rammes lol wrote:
well convinced im going to get one. now what would be better the amarr revolation or gallente moros


Moros is better than rev in every way except that you need to reload after obliterating whatever your guns are facing.

the Revelation is the POS-bash king, simply because it can shoot for hours without reloading or having to care about getting ammo dropped in in case it runs out during the bash.
illirdor
Upper Class Goat
#19 - 2012-11-01 08:14:41 UTC  |  Edited by: illirdor
Goldensaver wrote:
(except the Chimera, that's... a different story entirely.)


yea but thats because the chimera is a carrier Blink

Soooo this is my sig.... 
Oska Rus
Free Ice Cream People
#20 - 2012-11-01 13:34:08 UTC
Maybe someday Nag will become usefull. :D
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