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Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#81 - 2012-10-30 05:21:51 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
I know of some great space ship games where you can mine your little heart out & not be bothered by other people ever. That is what you want, right.

Why not? Why should you care?

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#82 - 2012-10-30 05:24:10 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
I know of some great space ship games where you can mine your little heart out & not be bothered by other people ever. That is what you want, right.

Why not? Why should you care?


I do care, that is why I'm prepared to inform miners of some great games where they can do what they love with out the hassle of player interaction. I do this service for the greater good of this game.

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Jin alPatar
Entertainment 7wenty
The Burning Contingent Alliance
#83 - 2012-10-30 05:41:09 UTC
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:

How to counter? The anchor requires a asteroid (they don't move when bumped yes?) Someone undermines the asteroid that was anchoring them and its turns off the module and the feedback makes it inoperable for 10 minutes. So they are stuck without the perks, and a smaller ore bay. They have to take the time to refit or wait it out.

Also bumpers mining to attack miners, fuuuuny.



I do think there should be somewhat of a passive counter to people being bumped. But to me, it doesn't make sense to make a modules for the sole purpose of preventing bumps. (but I'm for something that fixes a different problem and helps alleviate this imbalance).

All that aside, the idea of miners being able to 'anchor' to an asteroid makes sense in game. I like that part.

And I REALLY like the idea of bumpers mining to bump miners. He he he. I think I'd hang out around asteroid belts just to watch!
Jin alPatar
Entertainment 7wenty
The Burning Contingent Alliance
#84 - 2012-10-30 05:43:16 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:

There is. It's called 'Purchasing a mining permit".


Alternatively, miners can get together and bump all miners that pay for a mining permit. Dry up the revenue stream and stand up to the gangsters trying to extort money.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#85 - 2012-10-30 05:50:40 UTC
Miners whing about bumping and demanding a nerf while others give out a range of counters already in game. Its almost as if we have bee here before...
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#86 - 2012-10-30 08:56:40 UTC
ISD Suvetar wrote:
A space anchor ?

Actually that's quite interesting.

I could see it being related to the way that a Cyno ship can't be moved; a module that adds ship mass perhaps ?
Everything needs a counter ...

Lets hear some fleshed out ideas!

Edit: Apologies to Akirei Scytale who already mentioned the mass thing ...


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no. apparently not.
ISD TYPE40
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#87 - 2012-10-30 09:51:46 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD TYPE40
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Souisa
Subhypersonics
#88 - 2012-10-30 12:36:23 UTC
I never understood the point of moving the thread. General Discussion is full of meaningless topics thats only about giving likes or useless opinions about avatars. You should clean general discussion up first before moving topics with actual game related content

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#89 - 2012-10-30 13:14:29 UTC
Shizuken wrote:
Souisa wrote:
Do you actually believe there shouldnt be a way to defend against it? A module, or a skill of some sort, that at least reduces the speed at which you get bumped away


The proper way to handle this would be for CCP to actually program ship collisions that cause damage. As it is now bumpers lose nothing from their actions and miners lose everything. See what happens when the bumpers start incurring replacement and repair costs...

Then bumpers would use rookie ships as weapons to destroy whatever they wanted for free and without consequence.

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TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#90 - 2012-11-21 12:10:08 UTC
The problem with the terrible "anchor" suggestion is that there is absolutely no downside for the carebears. Comparing it to siege/triage modules is dishonest, as the ships that use those modules can only operate in areas in which they can freely be attacked, and as such being stuck in one spot for a fixed period of time is an actual risk. Anchoring yourself in safe space has no drawback. I propose slashing defenses and or mining yield by 50% while anchored.

That sounds fair - you don't have to actively manage your range or avoid bumpers, but the compromise is reduced survivability or isk
Seranova Farreach
Biomass Negative
#91 - 2012-11-21 13:35:48 UTC
Souisa wrote:
Im sorry but do you know how fast an orca or barge moves?



skiff moves at like 450ish m/s ;p

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Souisa
Subhypersonics
#92 - 2012-11-21 13:38:33 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
The problem with the terrible "anchor" suggestion is that there is absolutely no downside for the carebears. Comparing it to siege/triage modules is dishonest, as the ships that use those modules can only operate in areas in which they can freely be attacked, and as such being stuck in one spot for a fixed period of time is an actual risk. Anchoring yourself in safe space has no drawback. I propose slashing defenses and or mining yield by 50% while anchored.

That sounds fair - you don't have to actively manage your range or avoid bumpers, but the compromise is reduced survivability or isk


I dont know how you think the anchor is going to work. But if you make it a module, it will have a drawback. Because if you fit it, you wont be able to fit something else in its place. If you make it a low slot, miners will have to sacrifice a mining laser upgrade to fit it. If you make it require cap, depending on how much, they will have trouble cycling their miners if they keep it active all the time

o/
Mag's
Azn Empire
#93 - 2012-11-21 14:09:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
Another bad idea.

There are already options available, I suggest you use them. This is after all, an MMO Blink

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Souisa
Subhypersonics
#94 - 2012-11-21 14:09:53 UTC
Hi :)

Like what

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#95 - 2012-11-21 14:11:26 UTC
Friends, but I guess you may find that a problem. Who knows?

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Souisa
Subhypersonics
#96 - 2012-11-21 14:12:20 UTC
What the hell is your problem

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#97 - 2012-11-21 14:19:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
Souisa wrote:
What the hell is your problem
Had to think for a minute, but I guess it's the mortgage. It's not really a problem per say, but it's the closest thing. Big smile

As far as this idea is concerned, others deal quite well without, so maybe learn how to yourself? After all bumping is a perfectly legitimate mechanic to use and has been used for many, many years. Blink

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Souisa
Subhypersonics
#98 - 2012-11-21 14:34:55 UTC
Yea like i said it will not be the end of bumping, saying it isnt unbalanced is ignoring the obvious tho

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Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#99 - 2012-11-21 15:15:15 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Souisa wrote:
What the hell is your problem
Had to think for a minute, but I guess it's the mortgage. It's not really a problem per say, but it's the closest thing. Big smile

As far as this idea is concerned, others deal quite well without, so maybe learn how to yourself? After all bumping is a perfectly legitimate mechanic to use and has been used for many, many years. Blink

Gotta say, Mortgages need to be nerfed.

Mine went up this year, and we are looking into converting to a fixed rate.
(We always planned on this, it just wasn't one of our options when we first got the mortgage itself)

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#100 - 2012-11-21 15:20:45 UTC
Nikk Narrel wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Had to think for a minute, but I guess it's the mortgage. It's not really a problem per say, but it's the closest thing. Big smile

As far as this idea is concerned, others deal quite well without, so maybe learn how to yourself? After all bumping is a perfectly legitimate mechanic to use and has been used for many, many years. Blink

Gotta say, Mortgages need to be nerfed.

Mine went up this year, and we are looking into converting to a fixed rate.
(We always planned on this, it just wasn't one of our options when we first got the mortgage itself)
We have an account that is both our current and mortgage, in one. We did look at fixed, but I would have preferred longer term fixed. Full term in other words, but no one did them at the time. (UK)

Hope you get a good deal bud.

Also, I think bumping is balanced.

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