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Miners Unite to Fight the New Order!

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Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#341 - 2012-10-29 21:35:03 UTC
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:

Wait, what? I may be misunderstanding you, but did you just imply that being able to do something else instead of playing EVE and still profit is a fine example of emergent gameplay?

Maybe he, like me, sees through this charade about WHAT people do WHILE they play Eve.

Jump on Goon Jabber during an op and tell me what half the guys are doing under the desk while they undertake "l33t PvP interacting".

Add gate-camps, blops waiting, waiting on a bridge for 3 hours waiting for standown, AP freighters (a HUGE number of 0.0 freighters might I add), scammers, traders.... the list goes on.

Take all this into consideration and then come talk to me about what I - a miner is doing while I mine rocks.

The issue is not about what I'm doing, it's about WHAT I AM. It's not about what YOU think, it's about what everyone else thinks, popular mob agreement.

It's all blue eyes and brown eyes from where I sit.

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#342 - 2012-10-29 21:38:56 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
No, he's saying the enforcement of people being not able to do other things besides play EVE and still profit is a fine example of emergent gameplay.

That's good. I was seriously worried for his sanity for a second there.
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#343 - 2012-10-29 22:44:07 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:
A miner spends all day ripping roids isolated from the entire game.

However.....

- He takes it back to station and refines then sells it to the first buy order.

Thus, we can deduce that MinerMan has absolutely no "interaction" on the game and may as well play purely on a client.

Fixed
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#344 - 2012-10-29 22:46:44 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
Touval Lysander wrote:
A miner spends all day ripping roids isolated from the entire game.

However.....

- He takes it back to station and refines then sells it to the first buy order.

Thus, we can deduce that MinerMan has absolutely no "interaction" on the game and may as well play purely on a client.

Fixed

And that just proves how little you know about miners.

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#345 - 2012-10-29 22:52:00 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Miners whine that people can steal from them and they should be able to defend themselves against people who steal from them. CCP says okay and implements aggression for stealing.


Miners cry about not being able to kill the people who steal from them by themselves and they need everyone else in space to help them to "Make it fair". CCP says okay and we get crimewatch 2.0.

Miners cry about insurance payouts for gankig. CCP says okay and removes insurance payouts for ganking.

Miners cry about their untanked ships not having enough EHP. CCP says okay and increases mining barge and exhumer EHP.

Now miners are crying about people bumping their ships. Given the pattern of pandering to the every whim of miners I'm going to bet we'll see something about this in patch notes soon.




So ultimately everything the ass hat patrol "resorts to" will be whined about.

I don't see any innocent party here.


Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#346 - 2012-10-29 22:55:18 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Miners whine that people can steal from them and they should be able to defend themselves against people who steal from them. CCP says okay and implements aggression for stealing.


Miners cry about not being able to kill the people who steal from them by themselves and they need everyone else in space to help them to "Make it fair". CCP says okay and we get crimewatch 2.0.

Miners cry about insurance payouts for gankig. CCP says okay and removes insurance payouts for ganking.

Miners cry about their untanked ships not having enough EHP. CCP says okay and increases mining barge and exhumer EHP.

Now miners are crying about people bumping their ships. Given the pattern of pandering to the every whim of miners I'm going to bet we'll see something about this in patch notes soon.

So ultimately everything the ass hat patrol "resorts to" will be whined about.

I don't see any innocent party here.

We didn't say CCP was innocent.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#347 - 2012-10-29 22:57:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Vimsy Vortis
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
what if the miners just formed a fleet and had a blackbird or an ashimmu web their ships or something idk

I know I probably sound like a broken record when I say this because I say it in every miner whine thread that crops up, but for the record I'll put it out again.

Miners will not, under any circumstance, do anything to change their play style in order to adapt to emergent player behavior. The only thing they care about is their ability to earn the maximum quantity of isk per hour while not actually interacting with the game. It isn't that they don't know that there are things that they can do, they just don't care because they feel entitled to being able to do sit AFK i an untanked ship for long periods of time with their 3 year old character who is still in an NPC corp without any other player so much as glancing at them.

They feel that they are entitled to that because CCP constantly reinforces their belief by capitulating to them time and time again.

They are bloated, immobile parasites slowly sucking the life out of the game and every attempt CCP attempts to itch just further embeds them.
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#348 - 2012-10-29 23:04:06 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:

They are bloated, immobile parasites slowly sucking the life out of the game and every attempt CCP attempts to itch just further embeds them.

Go on say it! Say what you really mean!!! Go on!!

CCP. REMOVE miners from game.

There. Fixed.

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#349 - 2012-10-29 23:09:13 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
It isn't that they don't know that there are things that they can do, they just don't care because they feel entitled to being able to do sit AFK i an untanked ship for long periods of time with their 3 year old character who is still in an NPC corp without any other player so much as glancing at them.

They feel that they are entitled to that because CCP constantly reinforces their belief by capitulating to them time and time again.

You have to give them one thing.

It works.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#350 - 2012-10-29 23:20:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Vimsy Vortis
It sure does and I don't even know why. I mean it's not like every miner whine thread isn't full of twice as many people telling the miners to man up than miners whining and we all pay the same subscription fee.

What is it about miners that makes them so much more important to CCP than every other player in the game that CCP has to emergency patch things to make them happy while gaping holes in game mechanics are left unchanged for years? I don't get it.
Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#351 - 2012-10-29 23:27:30 UTC
At least CCP isn't going to implement a bumping nerf.
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#352 - 2012-10-29 23:29:03 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
It isn't that they don't know that there are things that they can do, they just don't care because they feel entitled to being able to do sit AFK i an untanked ship for long periods of time with their 3 year old character who is still in an NPC corp without any other player so much as glancing at them.

They feel that they are entitled to that because CCP constantly reinforces their belief by capitulating to them time and time again.

You have to give them one thing.

It works.

And proves one unequivocable fact. You guys aren't doing it right. Obviously. If CCP is so easily "led by the nose" by such an innocuous mob of belly-aching whiners....

...how come you can't form a unified resistance to counter it?

You know, you - the self-proclaimed majority of Eve - who for whatever reason can't organise a simple chook raffle at the local women's shelter on a Saturday afternoon.

C'mon guys, either your comments are utterly wrong about CCP's intentions or you would need to admit that you have failed and are failing still.

You'd have to wonder wouldn't you? I mean, REALLY wonder. Roll

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Anti-social Tendencies
Society for Miner Education
#353 - 2012-10-29 23:29:17 UTC
I don't get the big issue. Sure James315 is a delusional, lonely individual. Yeah, the lemmings that follow him and his "New Order" are idiots. So what?

I suggest that you simply block any and all of the "New Order" drones when they come on in local. It isn't about the ISK and it isn't about the rantings of James315, it is all about getting attention. Ignore them and they bet bored. Sure you might get bumped. So you lose a few cycles, big deal. If no one pays any attention to them, it isn't "fun" for them. You can't grief if no-one gives a damn.

Giving them any attention is the last and worst thing you should do.

"Patience: n, a minor form of despair, disguised as a virtue." - AMBROSE PIERCE
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#354 - 2012-10-29 23:36:08 UTC
Anti-social Tendencies wrote:
I don't get the big issue. Sure James315 is a delusional, lonely individual. Yeah, the lemmings that follow him and his "New Order" are idiots. So what?

I suggest that you simply block any and all of the "New Order" drones when they come on in local. It isn't about the ISK and it isn't about the rantings of James315, it is all about getting attention. Ignore them and they bet bored. Sure you might get bumped. So you lose a few cycles, big deal. If no one pays any attention to them, it isn't "fun" for them. You can't grief if no-one gives a damn.

Giving them any attention is the last and worst thing you should do.

Luv2Attention ~

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Ginger Barbarella
#355 - 2012-10-29 23:45:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Ginger Barbarella
There's a New Order?!??! Sweet! Can you add a toasted BLT for me? Maybe a nice dill pickle on the side?

Wut?? Oh, that again.

Look, even little kids need to have something to do after school since mommy and daddy are too busy to be real parents. Let these children have their fun. It's all good. Look at it this way: they're the new generation of pasty white virginal neckbeards.


kthxbye

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#356 - 2012-10-29 23:46:25 UTC
Anti-social Tendencies wrote:
I don't get the big issue. Sure James315 is a delusional, lonely individual. Yeah, the lemmings that follow him and his "New Order" are idiots. So what?

It gives haters focus because they can't find anything to hate, they just need to have something to hate.

No camp is exempt here. Each is subject to a mob mentality to make sure they're on the "right" side.

Like I said earlier, it's all blue eyes, brown eyes kerfumpff. Nothing more.

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Hans Zwaardhandler
Resilience.
The Initiative.
#357 - 2012-10-30 00:04:50 UTC
Again, I'll ask why is it that people just don't move to another system with their precious ice and ore belts? There are dozens in Caldari space to chose from, and even if they are a bit further ways out from Jita, they are quieter aren't they?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#358 - 2012-10-30 00:11:49 UTC
Hans Zwaardhandler wrote:
Again, I'll ask why is it that people just don't move to another system with their precious ice and ore belts? There are dozens in Caldari space to chose from, and even if they are a bit further ways out from Jita, they are quieter aren't they?

Well, you see there are many factors and ...
Hans Zwaardhandler wrote:
they are a bit further ways out from Jita

Ah.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#359 - 2012-10-30 00:26:24 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Hans Zwaardhandler wrote:
Again, I'll ask why is it that people just don't move to another system with their precious ice and ore belts? There are dozens in Caldari space to chose from, and even if they are a bit further ways out from Jita, they are quieter aren't they?

Well, you see there are many factors and ...
Hans Zwaardhandler wrote:
they are a bit further ways out from Jita

Ah.

This ^^^

And add that most of these threads are started by the bumpers and a lot of the "miners" aren't miners at all.

It's all part of the illusion to make bumping.....

far. more. important. than. it. really. is.

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Anti-social Tendencies
Society for Miner Education
#360 - 2012-10-30 00:35:43 UTC
Hans Zwaardhandler wrote:
Again, I'll ask why is it that people just don't move to another system with their precious ice and ore belts? There are dozens in Caldari space to chose from, and even if they are a bit further ways out from Jita, they are quieter aren't they?


Not all that many systems with Ice in them. Very few that are convenient to where I run other operations. So I mine where it is convenient for me. The environment does help determine the level of convenience and bumpers are a part (small and insignificant part) of that environment.

"Patience: n, a minor form of despair, disguised as a virtue." - AMBROSE PIERCE