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navy caracal now obsolete
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Maggeridon Thoraz
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-10-29 08:06:21 UTC
cpp will you fix/ buff the navy caracal as well ?

seeing the new stats of the caracal i find the navy caracal obsolete. navy has one hi slot more and one drone more. but slower in agility and speed to the new caracal. overall the damage projection of the caracl seems equal to the navy..
Sean Parisi
Blackrise Vanguard
#2 - 2012-10-29 08:29:09 UTC
They will being a re-work around of Faction / Tech 2 ships once they use the tech 1 ships as a baseline. I do not know when this will happen though.

My suggestion would be to use regular Caracals until the next round of changes come through for faction ships.
Alara IonStorm
#3 - 2012-10-29 08:29:16 UTC
Next expansion.
Maggeridon Thoraz
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-10-29 15:14:14 UTC
Sean Parisi wrote:


My suggestion would be to use regular Caracals until the next round of changes come through for faction ships.


yep, might buy some cheaper after the 4 dec Big smile
Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#5 - 2012-10-29 18:19:07 UTC
Confirming, yes it stinks alright.
Donnerjack Wolfson
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-10-29 18:28:36 UTC
Same as everyone else is dealing with. Ishkur/Enyo are weaker than the Incursus in many cases, ffs.
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#7 - 2012-10-29 22:53:24 UTC
Don't whinge. Do you have any idea how big of a buff the Navy ships will get to still be superior to the base line ships?

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#8 - 2012-10-30 07:48:29 UTC
Val'Dore wrote:
Don't whinge. Do you have any idea how big of a buff the Navy ships will get to still be superior to the base line ships?

No Ship Left Behind.



At the very least, the Navy ships should still have 50% more base hp.

Also doesn't the Navy Caracal have 6 launcher slots compared to the 5 of the standard T1? 20% more base DPS and alpha seems like a pretty big deal to me.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-10-30 12:20:48 UTC
"Standard" navy treatment is +50% HP to shield/hull/armor, +10% CPU and PG, +1 module and/or turret and/or launcher hardpoint.

If the base ship is buffed, CCP should correspondingly buff the navy like so
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#10 - 2012-11-01 00:09:37 UTC
Verity Sovereign wrote:
"Standard" navy treatment is +50% HP to shield/hull/armor, +10% CPU and PG, +1 module and/or turret and/or launcher hardpoint.

If the base ship is buffed, CCP should correspondingly buff the navy like so


They will, be patient. The last thing we want is them rushing and imbalancing things.

I'm more interested in the worm. If the tristan sports a flight of light drones, how will the worm fair?
Bouh Revetoile
In Wreck we thrust
#11 - 2012-11-01 00:51:24 UTC
Donnerjack Wolfson wrote:
Same as everyone else is dealing with. Ishkur/Enyo are weaker than the Incursus in many cases, ffs.

I don't think so. Ushkur/Enyo vs Incursus is a no match. Enyo have twice the dps and twice the ehp of the incursus, at the very least. Incursus only have speed and reper bonus for it. And with the T2 resists, you can have almost the same rep power than the incursus.
Ginger Barbarella
#12 - 2012-11-01 22:08:12 UTC
Time to buy up Navy Caracal blueprints. :)

So far I've made a decent profit on Fleet Stabber prints... =)

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Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2012-11-01 22:16:53 UTC
Bouh Revetoile wrote:
Donnerjack Wolfson wrote:
Same as everyone else is dealing with. Ishkur/Enyo are weaker than the Incursus in many cases, ffs.

I don't think so. Ushkur/Enyo vs Incursus is a no match. Enyo have twice the dps and twice the ehp of the incursus, at the very least. Incursus only have speed and reper bonus for it. And with the T2 resists, you can have almost the same rep power than the incursus.



Well - you shouldn't forget that AF's were only recently buffed - now interceptors are really poor compared to their T1 counterparts.

Anyway - I'm not flying T2 ships in ship classes that had their T1 counterparts buffed for the time being. It's simply not worth it atm...
Jerick Ludhowe
Internet Tuff Guys
#14 - 2012-11-01 23:37:03 UTC
Name Family Name wrote:
Bouh Revetoile wrote:
Donnerjack Wolfson wrote:
Same as everyone else is dealing with. Ishkur/Enyo are weaker than the Incursus in many cases, ffs.

I don't think so. Ushkur/Enyo vs Incursus is a no match. Enyo have twice the dps and twice the ehp of the incursus, at the very least. Incursus only have speed and reper bonus for it. And with the T2 resists, you can have almost the same rep power than the incursus.



Well - you shouldn't forget that AF's were only recently buffed - now interceptors are really poor compared to their T1 counterparts.

Anyway - I'm not flying T2 ships in ship classes that had their T1 counterparts buffed for the time being. It's simply not worth it atm...


QFT

The power gap between t1 and t2 ships of many classes is now more or less non existent. I'm hoping that this will be addressed asap however I'm not holding my breath. I'd expect things to be sorted by next summer's xpack.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-11-02 20:13:22 UTC
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
They will, be patient. The last thing we want is them rushing and imbalancing things.



I can only agree with this sentence but then I have to think about hulks, RAH vs ASB and some other funky stuff, but then I would loose interest on doing things.

brb