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Miners Unite to Fight the New Order!

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#301 - 2012-10-29 18:35:30 UTC
Some Rando wrote:
Touval Lysander wrote:
(we can argue "counter" ofc but i think you get what i'm saying)

If you don't want to be bumped, either increase the mass of your ship or move out of the way. How is that a difficult counter to understand? There are probably other counters as well, like interposing another ship or something. Saying bumping has no counter is stupid.

It's almost like miners don't bother using the grey matter between their ears.

You know, I think miners just might be the worst people in EVE because they clog up the petition system, whine incessantly, and actually don't even play the game if all the AFK claims are true. What terrible people.

Increasing the mass can only be done to a small amount. and it does not help. Sure yo may be going only 2000 m/sec after a bump instead of 2500, but it takes longer to slow down too, and you still end up out of range before the miner cycle ends.

A ship going 100 m/sec cannot dodge one going 2500. There is the option of a speed tanked Skiff. Not sure if that could dodge.... Anyone tried it?

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Gallente Federation
#302 - 2012-10-29 18:36:42 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
Increasing the mass can only be done to a small amount. and it does not help. Sure yo may be going only 2000 m/sec after a bump instead of 2500, but it takes longer to slow down too, and you still end up out of range before the miner cycle ends.

A ship going 100 m/sec cannot dodge one going 2500. There is the option of a speed tanked Skiff. Not sure if that could dodge.... Anyone tried it?

Welp. Might as well lie down and take it, huh?

CCP has no sense of humour.
Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#303 - 2012-10-29 18:39:25 UTC
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
[quote=TheTrue Acolyte][quote=Alavaria Fera]I'm sure they can deal with swallowing some stuff while yelling.


"Blessed are the swallowers, for by their actions they show their love for the Saviour of HiSec." - The Gospel of James 315, The Book of Gratitude, Chapter 6 Verse 4

Wouldn't be the first person to call themselves "saviour"...

This kind of unfavourable comparison to the Savior of Hisec always distresses me and my fellow agents greatly, not to mention James 315 himself.

I mean, when will miners think of something original to say?
Vanyr Andrard
VacuumTube
#304 - 2012-10-29 18:48:40 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Asuri Kinnes wrote:




Do you have proof that it was actually the "miners" whining that resulted in this change by CCP? Not trying to be pedantic here, but tbqh - the whole "miner in hi-sec = the devil" seems like a manufactured controversy to me.


No update to barges for over 6 years

Goons do ice iterdictions

Forums explode with miner rants for months

CCP buff barges.


Yea, I cant see any link here...


Your list provides two possible motivations for CCP to buff barges:

1. They thought too many barges were being ganked in hisec.

2. They thought too many miners were complaining about being ganked.

You're choosing option 2, which isn't a bad choice, but option 1 is still out there.

This is a bit unrelated, but it's funny how people link dev comments as if they're holy writ. If someone linked a dev comment backing either option 1, or 2, I probably would pay it only limited heed. This is exactly the kind of thing where I'd expect them to keep their true reasoning somewhat hidden. If they had any interest in explaining exactly how safe they wanted hisec to be, they would have done so by now.
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#305 - 2012-10-29 18:48:58 UTC
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
[quote=Asuri Kinnes][quote=TheTrue Acolyte]

"Blessed are the swallowers, for by their actions they show their love for the Saviour of HiSec." - The Gospel of James 315, The Book of Gratitude, Chapter 6 Verse 4

Wouldn't be the first person to call themselves "saviour"...

This kind of unfavourable comparison to the Savior of Hisec always distresses me and my fellow agents greatly, not to mention James 315 himself.

I mean, when will miners think of something original to say?

A) Not a miner;
B) It's pretty original, so far as I know it's the first time he's been compared to Khoresh. May not be the first time he's been compared to a person suffering delusions, but definitely first time to Khoresh.
C) Glad to help distress some agents.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#306 - 2012-10-29 18:59:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Vanyr Andrard wrote:


Your list provides two possible motivations for CCP to buff barges:

1. They thought too many barges were being ganked in hisec.

2. They thought too many miners were complaining about being ganked.



Too many barges getting ganked and too many miners complaining about getting ganked can be attributed to one thing, failure to fit their ships properly. With the old stats a tanked exhumer could survive a suicide gank, most miners neglected to fit a tank, so they got ganked.

Cause and effect in action.

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Doomheim
#307 - 2012-10-29 19:02:20 UTC
Shouldn't he be stepped on for encouraging naziism?

If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.

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Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#308 - 2012-10-29 19:07:08 UTC
Moonlit Raid wrote:
Shouldn't he be stepped on for encouraging naziism?

I totally agree with you, yeah.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#309 - 2012-10-29 19:09:17 UTC
Moonlit Raid wrote:
Shouldn't he be stepped on for encouraging naziism?


Please explain how the New Order is similar to National Socialism? It's not a good comparison, the New Order is not promoting genocide.

BTW you're not the first to compare James315 to the leader of the national socialists, however if you wish to compare him to a genocidal maniac then please use the more recent examples that made the man with the amusing mustache look like a rank amateur, Chairman Mao and Joseph Stalin would be good examples.

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Morrigan LeSante
Perkone
Caldari State
#310 - 2012-10-29 19:14:47 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Vanyr Andrard wrote:


Your list provides two possible motivations for CCP to buff barges:

1. They thought too many barges were being ganked in hisec.

2. They thought too many miners were complaining about being ganked.



Too many barges getting ganked and too many miners complaining about getting ganked can be attributed to one thing, failure to fit their ships properly. With the old stats a tanked exhumer could survive a suicide gank, most miners neglected to fit a tank, so they got ganked.

Cause and effect in action.


So what? Why stop the ganking? There's nothing that cannot be ganked. Too expensive....? Here and I thought you boys were committed Blink
Moonlit Raid
Doomheim
#311 - 2012-10-29 19:18:26 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Moonlit Raid wrote:
Shouldn't he be stepped on for encouraging naziism?


Please explain how the New Order is similar to National Socialism? It's not a good comparison, the New Order is not promoting genocide.

BTW you're not the first to compare James315 to the leader of the national socialists, however if you wish to compare him to a genocidal maniac then please use the more recent examples that made the man with the amusing mustache look like a rank amateur, Chairman Mao and Joseph Stalin would be good examples.


He's not hurting anyone, it's only a game, it's the attitude and terminology that's similar.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#312 - 2012-10-29 19:23:48 UTC
Morrigan LeSante wrote:


So what? Why stop the ganking? There's nothing that cannot be ganked. Too expensive....? Here and I thought you boys were committed Blink


The ganking hasn't stopped, GSF were running another ice interdiction operation until about a week ago, most of the silly buggers still don't fit a tank, it just requires more organisation to carry it off. The next hulkageddon is going to be interesting as the gankers will just field more ships to deal with the buffed barges.

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Doomheim
#313 - 2012-10-29 19:27:57 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Morrigan LeSante wrote:


So what? Why stop the ganking? There's nothing that cannot be ganked. Too expensive....? Here and I thought you boys were committed Blink


The ganking hasn't stopped, GSF were running another ice interdiction operation until about a week ago, most of the silly buggers still don't fit a tank, it just requires more organisation to carry it off. The next hulkageddon is going to be interesting as the gankers will just field more ships to deal with the buffed barges.


There isn't a "next" geddon, it's permanent.

If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#314 - 2012-10-29 19:29:50 UTC
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
[quote=Asuri Kinnes][quote=TheTrue Acolyte]
"Blessed are the swallowers, for by their actions they show their love for the Saviour of HiSec." - The Gospel of James 315, The Book of Gratitude, Chapter 6 Verse 4

Wouldn't be the first person to call themselves "saviour"...

This kind of unfavourable comparison to the Savior of Hisec always distresses me and my fellow agents greatly, not to mention James 315 himself.

I mean, when will miners think of something original to say?

Maybe they need CCP to do it for them as well.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#315 - 2012-10-29 19:41:34 UTC
Morrigan LeSante wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Vanyr Andrard wrote:


Your list provides two possible motivations for CCP to buff barges:

1. They thought too many barges were being ganked in hisec.

2. They thought too many miners were complaining about being ganked.



Too many barges getting ganked and too many miners complaining about getting ganked can be attributed to one thing, failure to fit their ships properly. With the old stats a tanked exhumer could survive a suicide gank, most miners neglected to fit a tank, so they got ganked.

Cause and effect in action.


So what? Why stop the ganking? There's nothing that cannot be ganked. Too expensive....? Here and I thought you boys were committed Blink

GSF has the bank account to do these things still. Its everyone else that was nerfed.
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#316 - 2012-10-29 19:42:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Asuri Kinnes
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
Asuri Kinnes wrote:


Wouldn't be the first person to call themselves "saviour"...

This kind of unfavourable comparison to the Savior of Hisec always distresses me and my fellow agents greatly, not to mention James 315 himself.

I mean, when will miners think of something original to say?

Maybe they need CCP to do it for them as well.

He was trying to imply that I was a miner - and no, thanks, don't need anyone to carry my messages for me.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#317 - 2012-10-29 19:43:04 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:

Maybe they need CCP to do it for them as well.


WTB CCP branded toilet paper, also a CCP dev to use it in the appropriate manner for me.

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Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#318 - 2012-10-29 19:48:05 UTC
Pan Miller wrote:
. If you keep your mining ship moving while you mine (by orbiting your target for example) then the bumper will probably miss you."

This is complete B&%% S&*#!


I suggest nanofiber internal structures, overdrive injectors (don't worry, they wont affect your ore bay!) and polycarb rigs.

Especially if you fit tech 2 rigs and faction modules (republic fleet works well) they'll never be able to hit you, you'll be the most blazin' barge in the belt!

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#319 - 2012-10-29 19:48:56 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Moonlit Raid wrote:
Shouldn't he be stepped on for encouraging naziism?


Please explain how the New Order is similar to National Socialism? It's not a good comparison, the New Order is not promoting genocide.

BTW you're not the first to compare James315 to the leader of the national socialists, however if you wish to compare him to a genocidal maniac then please use the more recent examples that made the man with the amusing mustache look like a rank amateur, Chairman Mao and Joseph Stalin would be good examples.


Wouldn't i, as Austrian, fit much better anyway ?
Moonlit Raid
Doomheim
#320 - 2012-10-29 19:52:15 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
Pan Miller wrote:
. If you keep your mining ship moving while you mine (by orbiting your target for example) then the bumper will probably miss you."

This is complete B&%% S&*#!


I suggest nanofiber internal structures, overdrive injectors (don't worry, they wont affect your ore bay!) and polycarb rigs.

Especially if you fit tech 2 rigs and faction modules (republic fleet works well) they'll never be able to hit you, you'll be the most blazin' barge in the belt!

And get shot out of the sky by a full rack of hobgob i's

Edit: ****.

If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.

Please Note: Any advice given comes with the caveat that nothing will be suitable for every situation.