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Dev blog: Introducing Open Buddy Invites

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Lipbite
Express Hauler
#41 - 2012-10-29 17:39:25 UTC
Finally. Thanks!
Kult Altol
The Safe Space
#42 - 2012-10-29 17:45:13 UTC
So let me get this straight? They are removing my reward of a plex for inviting a friend (or my self)?

Kinda lame. I'm part of the Eve unwashed dirty masses, and this is the only way I could get a hold of a plex.

I'M SO BELLIGERENT AND UNDESIRABLE RIGHT NOW!

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#43 - 2012-10-29 17:57:42 UTC
Kult Altol wrote:
So let me get this straight? They are removing my reward of a plex for inviting a friend (or my self)?
No, they're removing the ability to create multiple accounts while adding no money to CCP's coffers.

You can still get the PLEX if the invited hand CCP some cash to fully activate their account. You just can't cycle a PLEX through both accounts to increase the number of accounts (as in: buy PLEX for ISK → invite buddy → give PLEX → activate account with PLEX → get PLEX → sell PLEX for ISK).
Donaldo Duck
Nomad Inc.
Hansa Teutonica
#44 - 2012-10-29 18:22:34 UTC
Will there be a list for who made a new account with my invitelink (maybe now with main-ingame-character), so that i can support my new buddy?

Like the current "past invites"-list for manually invite-and-accepted buddyinvites, or are they only listed there if they fully upgrade their account?
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#45 - 2012-10-29 18:41:30 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Mar Drakar wrote:
DEATH TO ALL PONIES

as for no more plexes from this program, I find that reasonable, because with url based recruitment it could cause some unbalanced plex concentrations.


Expect the alt cycling ponies here to complain like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6u299-o66wo&feature=related
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Ager Agemo
Rainbow Ponies Incorporated
#46 - 2012-10-29 18:49:47 UTC
awww its a shame i have gotten 3 of my months of gameplay from buddies i invited and then activated with plex... but guess is for the best...
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#47 - 2012-10-29 18:52:39 UTC
Ager Agemo wrote:
awww its a shame i have gotten 3 of my months of gameplay from buddies i invited and then activated with plex... but guess is for the best...

That still works. They can use a PLEX as long as you request 30 days of game time as the reward. Its just PLEX for PLEX that is gone.

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Dragon Inc.
#48 - 2012-10-29 18:55:08 UTC
Is that live now? I was plannung on starting two industry alts and the Plex thing would be great for it.
Olerie Viliana
Spaceforce Junkies
Atomic Fusion Industries
#49 - 2012-10-29 19:32:57 UTC
The learning curve for eve is incredibly steep. You have just killed your best method for getting new players into the game. This doesn't affect me personally, but whoever made the decision to remove plex for plex has ruined the new player recruitment for many corps. You are going to lose money in the long run. System works great now, so let's break it. I don't understand your logic.
Ager Agemo
Rainbow Ponies Incorporated
#50 - 2012-10-29 21:37:22 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
Ager Agemo wrote:
awww its a shame i have gotten 3 of my months of gameplay from buddies i invited and then activated with plex... but guess is for the best...

That still works. They can use a PLEX as long as you request 30 days of game time as the reward. Its just PLEX for PLEX that is gone.

ahh good to know, then i just worry prices of plex will soar even higher now lol!
Reticle
Sight Picture
#51 - 2012-10-29 21:48:22 UTC
I'm one of the Plex for Plex lovers, and I'm going to miss this option.

Part of what it makes it useful is that 51 days free means it provides enough time to actually become invested in the game. For 14 day and 21 day trials, esp weekend warrior types, you've barely gotten to scratch the surface of EVE before you have to make a decision to fork over cash. With a learning curve far beyond other MMOs, this creates a problem for the potential player. If they're not OCD types like us, complexity for short play periods translates to deciding not activate the new subscription. "It's cool, but it's too time consuming to pay to learn." The 51 days gets more players over that hump. Seven weekends is enough time to follow through on researching and learning basic game mechanics (remember going to look up ONE thing and then realizing 2 hours had passed?). More importantly, 51 days is long enough to train a more substantial character that can really start to do the cool stuff. That gives noobs a taste of the good stuff just before time's up.

If this game were less complex and difficult, 2 or 4 weekends or 8 to 10 play sessions might be enough to pull people in, but that's barely enough time to figure out what the hell is going on here in EVE.

For me personally, they obviously make excellent short term, low skill alts. There's a limit to my ability to pay for alts for temporary gaming goals or to test out professions I haven't tried before. But there's also a limit to how many clients I can run (not many) at one time, so personally it's not like I have had hundreds of alts or anything crazy. It was nice to be able to buy my plex to reup this account and use it to start a 51 day account on which I could train any skill without the trial limitation or to train up an alt for sale so that I can buy more PLEX. Thinking about it for a minute, that's probably the primary benefit over me using a standard trial alt. It's certainly not a convenience I'm going to pay for though, so you won't be making any more money off me than before.

Honestly, I'm not sure in what way the Plex for Plex has been/could be abused other than alt hordes, which can be created anyway with regular trials. The PLEX get bought off the market, end up with player. You give us the first month, you get all the others. They'll still get sold onto the market or burned in other ways. I'm not sure I see the problem.

BTW is it that its still just game time or plex rewards for now? or is there some other reward i'm missing? I can't seem to find anything.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#52 - 2012-10-29 21:55:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Vincent Athena
Reticle wrote:
I'm one of the Plex for Plex lovers, and I'm going to miss this option.

Part of what it makes it useful is that 51 days free means it provides enough time to actually become invested in the game. For 14 day and 21 day trials, esp weekend warrior types, you've barely gotten to scratch the surface of EVE before you have to make a decision to fork over cash. With a learning curve far beyond other MMOs, this creates a problem for the potential player. If they're not OCD types like us, complexity for short play periods translates to deciding not activate the new subscription. "It's cool, but it's too time consuming to pay to learn." The 51 days gets more players over that hump. Seven weekends is enough time to follow through on researching and learning basic game mechanics (remember going to look up ONE thing and then realizing 2 hours had passed?). More importantly, 51 days is long enough to train a more substantial character that can really start to do the cool stuff. That gives noobs a taste of the good stuff just before time's up.

If this game were less complex and difficult, 2 or 4 weekends or 8 to 10 play sessions might be enough to pull people in, but that's barely enough time to figure out what the hell is going on here in EVE.

For me personally, they obviously make excellent short term, low skill alts. There's a limit to my ability to pay for alts for temporary gaming goals or to test out professions I haven't tried before. But there's also a limit to how many clients I can run (not many) at one time, so personally it's not like I have had hundreds of alts or anything crazy. It was nice to be able to buy my plex to reup this account and use it to start a 51 day account on which I could train any skill without the trial limitation or to train up an alt for sale so that I can buy more PLEX. Thinking about it for a minute, that's probably the primary benefit over me using a standard trial alt. It's certainly not a convenience I'm going to pay for though, so you won't be making any more money off me than before.

Honestly, I'm not sure in what way the Plex for Plex has been/could be abused other than alt hordes, which can be created anyway with regular trials. The PLEX get bought off the market, end up with player. You give us the first month, you get all the others. They'll still get sold onto the market or burned in other ways. I'm not sure I see the problem.

BTW is it that its still just game time or plex rewards for now? or is there some other reward i'm missing? I can't seem to find anything.


Game time as a reward, even if the buddy account is extended via PLEX, is still available. This means you can invite one buddy (who then subscribes, using a PLEX you provide) a month and neither him or you have to spend money. So that 51 days is still there, just only for one buddy a month.

Edit, well you can do more than one a month, but you would be buying more than one PLEX a month and accumulating time on your account faster than you are using it.

Also, if you have 3 accounts then its 3 a month without accumulating extra time.

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Marcus McTavish
Volcel Police
#53 - 2012-10-29 22:13:03 UTC
Darn. No more rolling 51-day alts. I guess I will have to train up some new cyno chars then :(
Reticle
Sight Picture
#54 - 2012-10-29 22:39:42 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
Game time as a reward, even if the buddy account is extended via PLEX, is still available. This means you can invite one buddy (who then subscribes, using a PLEX you provide) a month and neither him or you have to spend money. So that 51 days is still there, just only for one buddy a month.

Edit, well you can do more than one a month, but you would be buying more than one PLEX a month and accumulating time on your account faster than you are using it.

Also, if you have 3 accounts then its 3 a month without accumulating extra time.

I still don't see what problem this change is solving. Could some more scam-savvy person explain it?
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#55 - 2012-10-29 23:04:21 UTC
Reticle wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
Game time as a reward, even if the buddy account is extended via PLEX, is still available. This means you can invite one buddy (who then subscribes, using a PLEX you provide) a month and neither him or you have to spend money. So that 51 days is still there, just only for one buddy a month.

Edit, well you can do more than one a month, but you would be buying more than one PLEX a month and accumulating time on your account faster than you are using it.

Also, if you have 3 accounts then its 3 a month without accumulating extra time.

I still don't see what problem this change is solving. Could some more scam-savvy person explain it?


Well, there are the people rolling lots of low skill alts, using up server resources while CCP never get any money from them.

( 1 plex spent, one plex gained. net effect = no cost)

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Infinion
Awesome Corp
#56 - 2012-10-29 23:46:01 UTC
Ingkala wrote:
Ponies.

This is the best dev blog ever.


quoting for truth
Lillith Sakata
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#57 - 2012-10-30 00:20:09 UTC
I personally don't see this as a good move for getting new people into the game. I personally had a friend get me into the game using the PLEX for PLEX option, along with about 5 others. I've since paid for my time using cash, and was thinking of getting a few more of my mates into the game via the same method.

The problem I see with this, is that now I have no incentive to use the multiple plex deals that I've seen to save myself some money, while getting friends into the game who will invariably pay in the end themselves.
Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#58 - 2012-10-30 00:47:54 UTC


ITT people moaning about not having free 51 day alts by pretending to care about the newbies.

I invited a friend, she paid cash because i got her into the game, I got a PLEX, sold it and gave her half the money. You know, because it's an actual friend not an alt.

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MisterAl tt1
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#59 - 2012-10-30 03:02:47 UTC
Another thing broken. I sometimes gave out invites to people cos I would receive PLEX if they can they enough ISK to buy their own PLEX (with my ISK-help). No more...
Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#60 - 2012-10-30 04:38:44 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Suvetar
Extremely dissapointed to see my little ponies on a CCP post.

Edit: Snipped unneccesary slur - ISD Suvetar