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EVE reflect the true nature of humanity.

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Azumi Zimu
#41 - 2012-10-29 15:34:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Azumi Zimu
Strong can mean more than just physically strong. I'm sure you've met someone who you would call a 'weak' person, and you weren't suggesting you could lift more than him.
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#42 - 2012-10-29 15:45:45 UTC
Azumi Zimu wrote:
Strong can mean more than just physically strong. I'm sure you've met someone who you would call a 'weak' person, and you weren't suggesting you could lift more than him.


Someones will can be strong, sure, but that could be applied to lots of things, and not just how eager they are to trample others to serve their own greed.

Being ruthless and selfish are primitive traits, seen in all manner of less intelligent creatures. It's higher brain functions like empathy which allow us to have advanced civilizations and some degree of order.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi

Urgg Boolean
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2012-10-29 15:47:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Urgg Boolean
The psychology term that applies here is "dysinhibition". Dysinhibition comes about from some organic and pyschiatric reasons:
- Methamphjetamine usage
- Manic state (psych diagnosis = Bipolar Disorder)
- certain forms of temporal lobe siezures

It also comes about when one is spearated from their normal cultural restrictions and/or are disconnected from normal face to face human interactions. Internet interactions and/or being inside an MMO disguised as your avatar, typically with the excuse of roleplay, are great examples. Skype improves on this somewhat due to the ability to read facial expressions and other body language.

There is an old saying that goes soemthing like, "It's what you do when nobody is looking that defines your character." See above.

Conflict and war can be social drivers, it's true. But real social development happens under peaceful circumstance. You have to beat the survival equation before you can devote resource to higher level things like music, art, and space travel, and play. I mean, nobody will kick back and compose a symphony if sharpening your axe before the next wave of Celts invades is your top priority.

So EvE is really an example of "sanctioned dysinhibition", mainly because it's all fake with only momentary emotions at stake. American football is very similar. You can deliver career ending punishment in-game. But if you did that same stuff out-of-game, you'd be in prison.

Don't even get me started on the male adolescents compensating for an inferiority complex in Null sec...
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#44 - 2012-10-29 15:47:58 UTC
Ahhh, this entire thread takes me back to high school ethics and philosophy classes.

Those conversations were just as filled with "shocking insights" and "brutal truth"... completely ignoring the fact that people ranging from respected philosophers to angst ridden teens have been kicking the same worn out supposed truisms around for thousands of years.

Human nature is what it is, and it varies from person to person. Attempts to find universal truth in human behavior is a pass time for people who have yet to discover how little they actually understand about how the world works.

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Azumi Zimu
#45 - 2012-10-29 15:59:35 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:

Human nature is what it is, and it varies from person to person. Attempts to find universal truth in human behavior is a pass time for people who have yet to discover how little they actually understand about how the world works.


When people talk about human nature, they're speaking of universal commonalities not varying personalities Roll.
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#46 - 2012-10-29 16:09:34 UTC
There's been a fair amount of studies done into this, so took the liberty of rounding some of them up for your perusal.

New study suggests humans are not naturally violent.

Are humans Innately aggressive?

Early humans were prey, not predators. So were not warlike.

I know there's more links because i've discussed this before, but that should do for now.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#47 - 2012-10-29 16:14:39 UTC
Azumi Zimu wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:

Human nature is what it is, and it varies from person to person. Attempts to find universal truth in human behavior is a pass time for people who have yet to discover how little they actually understand about how the world works.


When people talk about human nature, they're speaking of universal commonalities not varying personalities Roll.


Perhaps you should wait until you get into some advanced coursework on the subject before you get too carried away. Blink

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Azumi Zimu
#48 - 2012-10-29 16:20:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Azumi Zimu
Ranger 1 wrote:

Perhaps you should wait until you get into some advanced coursework on the subject before you get too carried away. Blink


Are you implying human nature doesn't exist? I'm not sure what you're saying. Tabula rasa confirmed bunk with the onset of Genetics.

edit: Just realized you couldn't have possibly learned about the genome in school because you're too old, and now since you seem to know everything in your old age... you never bothered to learn about it later.
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#49 - 2012-10-29 16:30:26 UTC
I think in RL there's a pull towards collective effort and justice. We all generally want to live with some sort of safety, and we care about our children.

In EvE, we don't care if we die, and if we had children in eve I'd just as soon use mine as a guidance system on my torpedoes.

EvE is the world if it were populated with immortal, homocidal sociopaths. I don't think it's a good analog to RL ;p

Signatures should be used responsibly...

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#50 - 2012-10-29 16:32:12 UTC
Azumi Zimu wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:

Perhaps you should wait until you get into some advanced coursework on the subject before you get too carried away. Blink


Are you implying human nature doesn't exist? I'm not sure what you're saying. Tabula rasa confirmed bunk with the onset of Genetics.

What human nature is, and indeed the existance of something that can even be called "human nature", has been hotly debated for centuries... with first one school of thought and then another holding dominance as the accepted "truth".
Debating it and how it relates to virtual reality on a gaming forum isn't something I choose to take too seriously. Big smile

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Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#51 - 2012-10-29 16:32:47 UTC
Gogela wrote:
EvE is the world if it were populated with immortal, homocidal sociopaths. I don't think it's a good analog to RL ;p


I have a theory the human race tricked all the most violent and sociopathic to travel through the EVE gate, and have enjoyed centuries of peace ever since.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi

Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#52 - 2012-10-29 16:50:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Piugattuk
As I said people are still chimps, although some chimps ie; me, are far more advanced then most others who are only once removed from their knuckle dragging forefathers, I try to get chimps here to cooperate and divide the banana and chimps respond with fits of poo slinging.
your right chimps have a dark side and more evolved chimps can control themselves, what chimps here don't realize is this game is the aliens way of testing how chimpmanity would do if given such technology...now let me put back on my tin foil hat before they find me.
(Thinking for yourself a dangerous thing)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#53 - 2012-10-29 16:54:31 UTC
Gogela wrote:
EvE is the world if it were populated with immortal, homocidal sociopaths. I don't think it's a good analog to RL ;p

We only need to work on RL immortality then.

Cause that's the point, right? We're all homicidal sociopaths because we:
Bump miners
Gank freighters
Use falcon
Blob

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#54 - 2012-10-29 16:58:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Lin-Young Borovskova
Ritsum wrote:

But seriously humans thrive on Death and Destruction.
We fight to survive, it is in our nature.
How advanced a civilization is/was is based on their military might, not the science and religion



Witch is still a middle age attitude, but well after 800years of obscurantism and witch hunting nothing better to expect from unintelligent people.
Our society needs at least another 200 years before it gets rid of this archaic model based on personal success and narcissistic culture promotion (witch in turn is a much better way or at least less primordial to rule individuals, change bullets and wip for psychological stress, and it works)

Now to pick up your last sentence I can safely say religion didn't worked out well for humanity (obscurantism), wars and whatever their size is have already shown too it doesn't work.
Now it's time to leave a chance and a nice try to science, not the military controlled one finishing in another and more powerful bomb when there's already more than enough to send us all to hell twice, it can't be worst than previous 2.

And on a non serious note, if I had to choose in between heaven and hell I'd probably pick hell, because there's where the fun ladies are. Lol

brb

Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#55 - 2012-10-29 17:57:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Webvan
Ranger 1 wrote:
Human nature is what it is, and it varies from person to person.
And on that note, some people try so hard to tare everyone down to elevate themselves or to appear on equal levels as they themselves practice the horrors that they claim everyone else is doing.

This can also be associated with "projection", where they accuse someone or everyone of doing certain unethical acts while they themselves are actually the only ones doing such things. In other words, projecting their acts or low standards onto someone else as if others are guilty of doing such things when in reality it's just themselves doing such things. My sister does this all the time, it drives us all nuts. It's sort of like a little justification clause to ease her conscience as she runs havoc, serious havoc through peoples lives. Gets worse over time too, like a train wreck.

I'm in it for the money

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Kult Altol
The Safe Space
#56 - 2012-10-29 18:11:21 UTC
So many shocking insights and brutal truths in this thread!

thread is way to TL;DR for my attention span.

Eve online like any MMO is full of a$$ holes, cool people, (filthy) casuals. But for most people as I stated earlier. Its just a game.

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Dessau
The Scope
#57 - 2012-10-29 18:15:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Dessau
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Cause that's the point, right? We're all homicidal sociopaths because we:

Bump miners
Gank freighters
Use falcon
Blob

Nono, the first two prove you are a ~belligerent undesirable~, the latter two prove you are a ~dishonorable scoundrel~.
CCP Eterne
C C P
C C P Alliance
#58 - 2012-10-29 18:22:24 UTC
Removed a post. Racist remarks, even silly ones in jest, are not allowed.

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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#59 - 2012-10-29 18:26:42 UTC
Dessau wrote:
~dishonorable scoundrel~.
I don't see anything inherently wrong with falcons or blobs. So if a blob of falcons protect an industrial fleet from pirates, they are dishonorable scoundrels? "Fairness" is reserved for fairy tales.

I'm in it for the money

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Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#60 - 2012-10-29 18:38:09 UTC
Ah, delicious popcorn!

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