Player Features and Ideas Discussion

i guess the biggest problem is the non-existence of engagements beyond 150 km (i dare to say 100 km - ignoring some rather rare sniping games) because of current minimal warp distances, ongrid probing and the big delay in damage application due to cruise missile flight times.

Fury will apply full damage on shield cruisers and any BC/BS ; speed damage reduction should be rather low, though I need to make the math to be sure.

And compared to turrets, long range ammo of short range turrets usualy outrange long range turret with T2 short range ammo.

@Cazador : in France, we would say what translate to "the hospital scoff at charity". Ad Hominem is all you did to me some pages ago. Hell, you even suspected the devs to want to nerf the caldari just for the sake of it ! And you never brought any argument, only unjustified fears and your pve CNR not in line with machariels in incursions.

Oh, and this statistical comparison, which is not an argument (no statistic could make an argument, only an indication of a potential problem) ; and then, people yet agree with you that projectiles do have a problem, but that is corrected by minmatar hull tweak, or that TE are the main projectile source of power against the other weapons (because power of a weapon exists only in relation to other weapons) because of the emphasys on falloff projectile greatly profit from.

And no, a fix to TE would not buff the others, the "buff" would only be relative : this is balance. When you nerf something, everything else is indirectly buffed, that's the magic, and that's not powercreep.

And finaly, all is in your phrase : medLR turrets CAN lay full damage on cruisers ; T2 HML ammo CAN too ; but neither of these systems is able to do it in standard situation (cruiser will try to fool your tracking at close range, and with missiles, you need a web/TP or the good target).

And finaly, to ALL caldari pilots around there, I beg you all : STOP SAYING CALDARI ONLY HAVE TWO VIABLE SHIPS FOR PVP ! That is a lie, or a fantasy, nothing more, that have been said countless of times. And if you only consider caldari missile ships, that's a falacy, because the caracal is rebalanced and will be a beast, and because the cerberus is known to be broken (there are others broken hull in fact).

But anyway, even if there was only one viable hull for HML, that wouldn't be a reason not to nerf them if they are OP (and they are).

Could you please elaborate on this cause youve said it a few times now and each time it confuses me . . . the cruise raven already does way more DPS than a 1400 tempest, a 425 megathron or a tachyon apoc at better ranges (way better for all but the apoc)

So i dont exactly know what you mean here,
the cruise raven with 3 BCS does 490 DPS or so at max range (250 km) with caldari navy missiles
the 1400 Tempest with 3 gyrostabs does 360 DPS or so at 124 + 57 km with tremor
the 425 megathron with 3 magstabs does 370 DPS or so at 130 + 30 km with spike
the Tachyon apoc with 3 heatsinks does 401 DPS or so at 230 + 41 km with aurora

do you want the raven to do even more damage or something? im not sure what more you want.

I think a much larger problem than on grid probing and warp distances is that all long range weapons systems save for artillery are borderline unfittable at battleship level, requiring horribly gimped fits to even get the turrets on there to begin with and even if you do manage to fit them they all have such uniformly awful tracking that you can't hit anything that isn't either huge, completely stationary or super far away.

But yes, there are a huge number of factors that contribute to the general non-viability of sniper setups in 90% of all circumstances, particularly in space where you can't use bubbles.

If target doesn't move and has massive sigradius (= capital) I'd say quite well.

So dear CCP. I apritiate your work, your ideas and wishes to make game the best for us players...But this next patch you intend to give out, will defenetly not make game better for us. What you want to do with expansions is to improve game mechanic, make game more endzojable, more fun to play and to get more new players interested into game itself...Atleast thats what i hope or was hoping you intend to achive....Well that new patch and new AI and all its ok. But why would you make drones useless? Why would you want to change something that wasent broken at all? Why such a strong nerf on missiles? Can you imagine somone skilling up from very beggining of the game the missile skills only and now you will make all those boats useless? Think it up agin before u let it go live to be honest...

oh i know how fallof works and try getting missles and targeting to 250 also try catching that armarr snipper ship in a caldari ship especialy after the changes witch make caldari ships the slowest and heaviest of all the ships in nearly every catagory.

ive spent nearly 2 year training only call and missle specilising in long range bombardment guess im fecked.

oh i know how fallof works and try getting missles and targeting to 250 also try catching that armarr snipper ship in a caldari ship especialy after the changes witch make caldari ships the slowest and heaviest of all the ships in nearly every catagory.

If someone thinks the Raven is good then please train for one and use it in PvP. But let me know before where I can find you.

About that other question, dont remember who posted it, I really will not go more into why the Raven sucks in Eve, and why the numbers seem to mislead some people here. If someone thinks the Raven is good then please train for one and use it in PvP. But let me know before where I can find you.