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GALLENTE, Y U NO?!
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Shiroh Yatamii
Alexylva Paradox
#1 - 2012-10-28 23:53:50 UTC
So, Gallente ships. They're supposed to be all about in-your-face damage and drones. So I prowl around the Features and Ideas area to see how they're balancing cruisers and implementing the new destroyers, and judging by the looks of the new Gallente destroyer and the (mostly unchanged) Vexor, Gallente ships are forever relegated to having split weapons systems for damage. Combine this with being armor tanked on the norm, and you've got boats that can't field the tanks Amarr or Caldari ships can (bar the armor rep bonused ships*) while also managing to be slower than Minmatar ships. Sure, the DPS on paper looks amazing, but with half of that rolled up into destroyable drones and blasters that are unable to extend beyond arm's length and it all gets to be incredibly unsatisfactory.

This is not my first toon, but this is the first toon I decided to specialize in Gallente. CCP, I am not impressed with your "balancing".

*Speaking of armor rep bonuses, why will the Vexor not get this? It's supposed to be in the "Combat" line like the Incursus and presumably the Hyperion. Gal cruiser especially hurting right now, and once the blaster-bonused Moa is released there will be 0 reason to fly the Thorax.

Thoughts, people?
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-10-28 23:59:37 UTC
I guess you've never tried out a Talos.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#3 - 2012-10-29 00:01:14 UTC
Never not Megathron.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-10-29 00:03:28 UTC
Now that you realised that flying Gallente is flying special you can cross train and will make good use of your skills to fly minmatar or amarr.

Fly talos, ares, lachesis, bait arazus, megathrons with a very decent roaming gang, then thany because it's nice to move ships Lol blaster Moros owns his grandma.

For everything else related to fun not dyeing pretty and fast, try other races. Calamari are fun, matar are fun, amarr are worst bricks than gallente but at least are tanky and can shoot some stuff decently.

brb
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-10-29 00:04:53 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
I guess you've never tried out a Talos.


please say: shield talos

He said gallente, not caldari blaster ships Lol

brb
Shiroh Yatamii
Alexylva Paradox
#6 - 2012-10-29 00:10:57 UTC
I was mostly commenting on the state of Gallente cruisers. Of course, I know the Megathron is just an absolute beast and a great contender. Talos is also good, and the Myrm as well. What's frustrating me, though, is that CCP is rebalancing cruisers and adding in new destroyers that leave the Gallente versions in the dust. Once you hit T2 or BCs and larger, Gallente does seem to come into its own.

I still want an ancillary armor repairer though. Gimme!
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#7 - 2012-10-29 00:19:12 UTC
Rax and vexor are great cruisers. Ishtar is very nice and the diemost isnt all that bad if used right. Hyperion is good and domi is still a nasty ship to face.
Shiroh Yatamii
Alexylva Paradox
#8 - 2012-10-29 00:24:34 UTC
I guess, then, it's as Lin-Young said: Gallente ships are glass cannons and die fast. I can sort of see what CCP is doing implicitly with Gallente ships: they're going to be giving the Thorax a tracking bonus instead of a MWD cap bonus. Maybe they intend it to use Void ammo? EFT is saying that a shield Thorax using Void would get well over 800 DPS with overheat and drones (All V, of course).

At such a high DPS, maybe Gallente ships' lack of tank just doesn't matter? What do you think?
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-10-29 00:38:23 UTC
Shiroh Yatamii wrote:
I guess, then, it's as Lin-Young said: Gallente ships are glass cannons and die fast. I can sort of see what CCP is doing implicitly with Gallente ships: they're going to be giving the Thorax a tracking bonus instead of a MWD cap bonus. Maybe they intend it to use Void ammo? EFT is saying that a shield Thorax using Void would get well over 800 DPS with overheat and drones (All V, of course).

At such a high DPS, maybe Gallente ships' lack of tank just doesn't matter? What do you think?


What? Gallente ships are bricks. I've had gangs pound on my ishtar's and Domi's for ages before they broke the tanks.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-10-29 00:52:17 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Shiroh Yatamii wrote:
I guess, then, it's as Lin-Young said: Gallente ships are glass cannons and die fast. I can sort of see what CCP is doing implicitly with Gallente ships: they're going to be giving the Thorax a tracking bonus instead of a MWD cap bonus. Maybe they intend it to use Void ammo? EFT is saying that a shield Thorax using Void would get well over 800 DPS with overheat and drones (All V, of course).

At such a high DPS, maybe Gallente ships' lack of tank just doesn't matter? What do you think?


What? Gallente ships are bricks. I've had gangs pound on my ishtar's and Domi's for ages before they broke the tanks.



A couple decades ago yes, not any more my friend, and this is true for several years now. lol grandpa forgot his pills again... Lol

Jokes aside, you will not deal against anything decent as gang with your loot pinata domi, your fake double rep hype that will be dead/cap out before it can use all his cap booster charges and everything gallente sub cap armor tanked without heavy logistics support.
The only way to make gallente ships work is to shield them, slap in lows max TE's/MFS, light up MWD and "brààààààà-tà-tà-tà" everything you have at closest range before you die awfully.
Of course you don't always find decent pvp groups or well organised ones, there are also less experienced players trying to make their ways and learning the hard way but doesn't means by any means gallente are good. Those ships got better, we can use a lot more than 2 or 3 years ago but we're still far from being able to say: if I don't fly matar it's ok, I can always pick my Brutix.

Because of falcon Lol

brb
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-10-29 00:54:30 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
I guess you've never tried out a Talos.


please say: shield talos

He said gallente, not caldari blaster ships Lol


People actually tank a Talos? I just glass cannon the thing & it seems to work out well.

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Abannan
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-10-29 00:59:33 UTC
Are you drunk? Have you even played with the EFT retribution files?
Lets take the vexor for example. with the extra low, You can fit 2 Drone damage amps, 1 eanm, 1600 plate, damage control, 3 trimarks...STILL be able to fit a set of heavy electrons, get 35k ehp, and put out 650 dps.
If you can't apply that damage, you're flying gallente wrong and should pick something a little simpler like Minmatar or something
Christopher AET
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-10-29 01:03:40 UTC
Proteus is an absolute beast. Blaster talos is fast with reasonable tank (for a tier3) and also comes with drones. Domi is a trololol ship. I once bimbled around a system alone killing bubbles layed by a gang of three cynabals. Every time one came for tackle he was instantly capped out.

Gallente assault frigs deal very solid dps. Well over 300. Thorax is a cheap and solid ship for pvp. Ishtar is superb and having an Arazu and Lachesis is always welcome.

I could go on.

I drain ducks of their moisture for sustenance.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-10-29 01:06:23 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
I guess you've never tried out a Talos.


please say: shield talos

He said gallente, not caldari blaster ships Lol


People actually tank a Talos? I just glass cannon the thing & it seems to work out well.



Shield mods are tank mods, just say'in Lol

But yeah, it's the only way it works out well. I can safely assume, if you paint it blue/grey steel, it's a caldari ship Lol

brb
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-10-29 01:17:04 UTC
Christopher AET wrote:
Proteus is an absolute beast. Blaster talos is fast with reasonable tank (for a tier3) and also comes with drones. Domi is a trololol ship. I once bimbled around a system alone killing bubbles layed by a gang of three cynabals. Every time one came for tackle he was instantly capped out.

Gallente assault frigs deal very solid dps. Well over 300. Thorax is a cheap and solid ship for pvp. Ishtar is superb and having an Arazu and Lachesis is always welcome.

I could go on.



I'm gona make a bad joke here but, how did you guys lost your space while flying such badass ships??? Lol

Sry, was a bad joke, I know I know I'm a baddie Oops
Yes, as I said above, just in case you haven't read it completely or yet, Gallente ships got better after hybrids rebalance. Doesn't means they got that "waw" factor nor that they scale nicely for anything else than "waw" shield Talos being at shield auto canes job better than shield auto canons canes.

Got a couple gallente kills these days, vigilants (shield) talos (shield) were by far the most dangerous ones. Everything else armor tanked was a little bit longer to kill but noting impressive.
Can't wait to see CFC next Maelstrom replacement by armor megathrons or drakes for deimos *cough* , before my retirement plz.

brb
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#16 - 2012-10-29 01:44:18 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:

Can't wait to see CFC next Maelstrom replacement by armor megathrons or drakes for deimos *cough* , before my retirement plz.

Goonna miss flying my mega in drake fleet.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#17 - 2012-10-29 03:47:17 UTC
CCP have said they are going to take a pass at Armour tanking at some point (Soon!) which should help out in general.
Shiroh Yatamii
Alexylva Paradox
#18 - 2012-10-29 03:51:16 UTC
Abannan wrote:
Are you drunk? Have you even played with the EFT retribution files?
Lets take the vexor for example. with the extra low, You can fit 2 Drone damage amps, 1 eanm, 1600 plate, damage control, 3 trimarks...STILL be able to fit a set of heavy electrons, get 35k ehp, and put out 650 dps.
If you can't apply that damage, you're flying gallente wrong and should pick something a little simpler like Minmatar or something


I haven't played with the Retribution versions of ships yet because I do not know how to modify the current stuff to match the Retribution stats.

Were you able to fit a propmod to all of that? Just wondering how your midslots were arranged.
Azumi Zimu
#19 - 2012-10-29 03:53:01 UTC
I thought they were considering a micro jump drive.

Quote:
Micro Jump Drive. The classic ‘blink’ ability, allowing ships to maneuver around the battlefield in a new way (with some hefty limitations of course) . We’ll try to get this out on a test server as soon as we can. It’s still some weeks away, but stay tuned.
Silk daShocka
Greasy Hair Club
#20 - 2012-10-29 03:57:52 UTC
Azumi Zimu wrote:
I thought they were considering a micro jump drive.

Quote:
Micro Jump Drive. The classic ‘blink’ ability, allowing ships to maneuver around the battlefield in a new way (with some hefty limitations of course) . We’ll try to get this out on a test server as soon as we can. It’s still some weeks away, but stay tuned.


MJD is battleship only atm on test server.
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