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Miners Unite to Fight the New Order!

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Angel Violette
The Filthy Few
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#121 - 2012-10-28 17:49:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Angel Violette
Pan Miller wrote:
If you haven't been personally harassed by the "New Order" you have most likely heard of them. They are bullies. I have tried speaking with them and filing petitions, it would seem that neither these "agents" or the GM's can be reasoned with. I have personally spoken with James 315 and can testify that he's not even as "compassionate" and "reasonable" as he makes himself seem in his stupid blog. He is a hateful man who despises miners on his own bigoted principle. He just can't stand the fact that we don't want to play with him, or his way, I think it stems from some kind of real life loneliness. In addition to that, it would seem that many changes are coming with the new expansion that may make it even harder to be left alone to mine in peace.

We cannot sit idly by while they ruin our game! Every petition filed is answered with a blow-off statement or this from his blog post

"Hello,

Bumping miners is not against the rules. If you keep your mining ship moving while you mine (by orbiting your target for example) then the bumper will probably miss you."

This is complete B&%% S&*#!

I have been in contact with many industrialists and we are pooling our resources to higher mercs to deal with them. I would like to take this opportunity to ask for any donations our wealthy fellow industrialists are willing to offer. Our only hope is to fight fire with fire. This character doesn't have many combat skills, but I'm looking into acquiring a fighter, I advise you to do the same.

DEATH TO THE NEW ORDER!





So you want to nerf bumping because you can't think outside of the box .. is it affecting you AFK mining or possibly your bots ?
The New Order is against AFK mining and Botting , all you have to do is pay the 10 mil if you don't want to be bothered .

With that said how are we going to nerf bumping ?

I'm the hand up Mona Lisa's skirt. I'm a surprise, They don't see me coming: that's what you're missing.
Max Doobie
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#122 - 2012-10-28 17:49:17 UTC
Racha Ni'Tar wrote:
Max Doobie wrote:
What people do behind closed doors, with no fear of consequence or retribution is 100% telling of who they are as a person. So if anything, how people behave on [...] forums and in game should be taken VERY seriously in evaluating that persons RL character.

For instance...


For instance, when I play counterstrike I often kill SEALs, SAS, GSG9 and other heroic law-enforcement and military personnel. Tell me again what that says about me in real life?



It depends on your intentions in regards to how you interact in a competitive environment. If your intentions are genuinely competitive and constructive, fine. If your intentions are to grief and annoy, that's something else. I'm not analyzing the gameplay. I'm analyzing the interactions. 2 people can play basketball and have 2 different ways of going about the social aspect of the game. That's my point.
Racha Ni'Tar
Red Galaxy
#123 - 2012-10-28 17:53:10 UTC
Max Doobie wrote:
It depends on your intentions in regards to how you interact in a competitive environment. If your intentions are genuinely competitive and constructive, fine. If your intentions are to grief and annoy, that's something else. I'm not analyzing the gameplay. I'm analyzing the interactions. 2 people can play basketball and have 2 different ways of going about the social aspect of the game. That's my point.


All of New Eden is a competitive environment, it's just some people didn't bother to find that out before they started playing, and refuse to accept the truth when it's brutally forced on them by things like ganking, bumping, etc. Then, rather than walk away from a game that isn't for them, they try to enforce their pre-conceived notions about what the game *should* be on those of us who are actually here for what it's designed for.
Max Doobie
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#124 - 2012-10-28 17:53:12 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Max Doobie wrote:


It's like I said earlier, these bumper people all tend to have similar personalities; rude, obnoxious, immature, "rapish" type of folks who enjoy irritating the **** out of people (check out that Solstice Project guy for example. That guys posts prove him to be a Grade-A, V-Card holding sociopath).



Have you ever conversed with Solstice? I have, he's by no means a sociopath, he just plays the game the way he wants to.

Did you never dream of being a pirate as a kid? Eve can fulfil that dream, you just have to have the balls to step up and grab that dream.


Again, I'm not critiquing how he plays the game. It's how he goes about the social aspect that I'm talking about and in that respect, from what I see on the forums the guy is a total dickhole. Especially to new players who simply voice some concerns about the game. ESPECIALLY when it pertains to PVP. I'm not saying he's bad because he's a pirate in game. I'm saying he's a f**knut because of him constantly verbally assaulting people simply for having an opposing view on something.
Angel Violette
The Filthy Few
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#125 - 2012-10-28 17:58:43 UTC
Max Doobie wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Max Doobie wrote:


It's like I said earlier, these bumper people all tend to have similar personalities; rude, obnoxious, immature, "rapish" type of folks who enjoy irritating the **** out of people (check out that Solstice Project guy for example. That guys posts prove him to be a Grade-A, V-Card holding sociopath).



Have you ever conversed with Solstice? I have, he's by no means a sociopath, he just plays the game the way he wants to.

Did you never dream of being a pirate as a kid? Eve can fulfil that dream, you just have to have the balls to step up and grab that dream.


Again, I'm not critiquing how he plays the game. It's how he goes about the social aspect that I'm talking about and in that respect, from what I see on the forums the guy is a total dickhole. Especially to new players who simply voice some concerns about the game. ESPECIALLY when it pertains to PVP. I'm not saying he's bad because he's a pirate in game. I'm saying he's a f**knut because of him constantly verbally assaulting people simply for having an opposing view on something.



CCP Implemented a Block option for this problem .

I'm the hand up Mona Lisa's skirt. I'm a surprise, They don't see me coming: that's what you're missing.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#126 - 2012-10-28 17:59:57 UTC
Max Doobie wrote:
The point was that people show their true colors in this type of environment

Forgive my scepticism, but this seems like a baseless assumption from where I stand.

Max Doobie wrote:
It depends on your intentions in regards to how you interact in a competitive environment. If your intentions are genuinely competitive and constructive, fine. If your intentions are to grief and annoy, that's something else

Do you understand the motives behind their intentions? You're new to the game so perhaps you do not have a full understanding of why some people may feel this kind of gameplay is a necessary evil (besides being fun for them). I think in a few months, your perspective will have changed even if your opinions and stance has not.

Oh god.
Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#127 - 2012-10-28 18:00:31 UTC
Came here expecting a Marxist perspective on the obvious issues of class struggle, exploitation and alienation.

Left disappointed.
Max Doobie
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#128 - 2012-10-28 18:01:47 UTC
Racha Ni'Tar wrote:
Max Doobie wrote:
It depends on your intentions in regards to how you interact in a competitive environment. If your intentions are genuinely competitive and constructive, fine. If your intentions are to grief and annoy, that's something else. I'm not analyzing the gameplay. I'm analyzing the interactions. 2 people can play basketball and have 2 different ways of going about the social aspect of the game. That's my point.


All of New Eden is a competitive environment, it's just some people didn't bother to find that out before they started playing, and refuse to accept the truth when it's brutally forced on them by things like ganking, bumping, etc. Then, rather than walk away from a game that isn't for them, they try to enforce their pre-conceived notions about what the game *should* be on those of us who are actually here for what it's designed for.



If that's the case then why did CCP Outlaw can baiting in noob systems? Even CCP sets up boundaries, so it's not "no holds barred, fend for yourself".

Why walk away. Everyone here has something about the game they don't like, so therefore by your logic, everyone should quit instead of suggesting changes, right?
Max Doobie
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#129 - 2012-10-28 18:03:00 UTC
Angel Violette wrote:
Max Doobie wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Max Doobie wrote:


It's like I said earlier, these bumper people all tend to have similar personalities; rude, obnoxious, immature, "rapish" type of folks who enjoy irritating the **** out of people (check out that Solstice Project guy for example. That guys posts prove him to be a Grade-A, V-Card holding sociopath).



Have you ever conversed with Solstice? I have, he's by no means a sociopath, he just plays the game the way he wants to.

Did you never dream of being a pirate as a kid? Eve can fulfil that dream, you just have to have the balls to step up and grab that dream.


Again, I'm not critiquing how he plays the game. It's how he goes about the social aspect that I'm talking about and in that respect, from what I see on the forums the guy is a total dickhole. Especially to new players who simply voice some concerns about the game. ESPECIALLY when it pertains to PVP. I'm not saying he's bad because he's a pirate in game. I'm saying he's a f**knut because of him constantly verbally assaulting people simply for having an opposing view on something.



CCP Implemented a Block option for this problem .


I brought him up as an example. No need to block I deal with people like him all of the time.
Angel Violette
The Filthy Few
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#130 - 2012-10-28 18:05:51 UTC
Max Doobie wrote:
Racha Ni'Tar wrote:
Max Doobie wrote:
It depends on your intentions in regards to how you interact in a competitive environment. If your intentions are genuinely competitive and constructive, fine. If your intentions are to grief and annoy, that's something else. I'm not analyzing the gameplay. I'm analyzing the interactions. 2 people can play basketball and have 2 different ways of going about the social aspect of the game. That's my point.


All of New Eden is a competitive environment, it's just some people didn't bother to find that out before they started playing, and refuse to accept the truth when it's brutally forced on them by things like ganking, bumping, etc. Then, rather than walk away from a game that isn't for them, they try to enforce their pre-conceived notions about what the game *should* be on those of us who are actually here for what it's designed for.



If that's the case then why did CCP Outlaw can baiting in noob systems? Even CCP sets up boundaries, so it's not "no holds barred, fend for yourself".

Why walk away. Everyone here has something about the game they don't like, so therefore by your logic, everyone should quit instead of suggesting changes, right?




OK ! So no bumping in noob systems I can live with that .

I'm the hand up Mona Lisa's skirt. I'm a surprise, They don't see me coming: that's what you're missing.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#131 - 2012-10-28 18:15:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Natsett Amuinn
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Miners whine that people can steal from them and they should be able to defend themselves against people who steal from them. CCP says okay and implements aggression for stealing.


Miners cry about not being able to kill the people who steal from them by themselves and they need everyone else in space to help them to "Make it fair". CCP says okay and we get crimewatch 2.0.

Miners cry about insurance payouts for gankig. CCP says okay and removes insurance payouts for ganking.

Miners cry about their untanked ships not having enough EHP. CCP says okay and increases mining barge and exhumer EHP.

Now miners are crying about people bumping their ships. Given the pattern of pandering to the every whim of miners I'm going to bet we'll see something about this in patch notes soon.

There will be something in the patch notes about bumping.

They're calling it a bounty; so the miners and the new order can use the same tools against each other.


But yeah, I agree. The miners seem to be the most vocal group when it comes to, "I should be able to afk alone and never be impacted by other players."


PS: Miners that complain about other people impacting their gameplay are just trying to ruin EVE's economy and kill the game. They know that if they're never able to be impacted by other people that they'll be able to mine without interuption untill they finally crash the mineral market and destroy the economy.

They refuse to accept the truth. James, the New Order, and gankers fight to ensure we have a healthy economy in New Eden, and to prevent a single group from killing the game.
Imports Plus
Doomheim
#132 - 2012-10-28 18:23:12 UTC
What must a person do to start their lasers and walk away for 40 minutes!

Halp CCP! Save our afk income!!!!
Vanyr Andrard
VacuumTube
#133 - 2012-10-28 18:42:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Vanyr Andrard
Max Doobie wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
Max Doobie wrote:
How so?

Do tell Doobie.


The part where you claimed the way people act in an online game has anything to do with the way they act in real life and then then argued it by contradicting your assessment. Unless your point was that the behaviours are unrelated, in which case, I apologise.



The point was that people show their true colors in this type of environment, not that they act the same way in RL as they do in game. A person can do great thing IRL but have horrible character. Why? Because IRL< for most people, there are consequences for your actions. Whereas in game and on forums, there aren't therefore the have no incentive to be tactful in any way.


lolol.

You are promulgating the viewpoint that a person's character can only be judged by his actions that lack consequences?

So, if I sacrifice my life by running into a burning building repeatedly, saving tens of lives before I perish, that says nothing about my character, because it has consequences, both for me and for others?

If I spend an afternoon softly singing to a butterfly about the gold standard vs. fiat money, that says boatloads about my character, because it lacks consequences? How about a 30 minute nap? That would be incredibly character-revealing.

Are you intended as some kind of 'reefer madness' troll?
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#134 - 2012-10-28 19:01:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Now if Max Doobie was a behavioural scientist not an attorney then I'd be prepared to look further into what they're saying.

However going by their own claim that a persons social actions reflect their true self, I could suggest that he or she is highly opinionated, especially about subjects beyond their professional remit, self important, argumentative and may require the consumption of an illicit substance to feel good about themselves.

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Racha Ni'Tar
Red Galaxy
#135 - 2012-10-28 19:30:16 UTC
Max Doobie wrote:
If that's the case then why did CCP Outlaw can baiting in noob systems? Even CCP sets up boundaries, so it's not "no holds barred, fend for yourself".


Newbie systems are there so that you can learn the basic mechanics of the game. It's a bit hard to do that if you have elite PvP'ers constantly beating your ibis up.

Quote:
Why walk away. Everyone here has something about the game they don't like, so therefore by your logic, everyone should quit instead of suggesting changes, right?


If you don't like tennis you don't lobby the governing boddy to let you use clubs to hit the ball just because *you* want to play it that way. You play with a raquet, or you go find something else to play, perhaps something that lets you use a club. Granted, Eve is more complex, but some things, such as the notion that players in a multiplayer game should be protected from social interaction, remain utterly silly.
Rollin Forties
School of Applied Street Knowledge
#136 - 2012-10-28 19:45:50 UTC
People don't ice mine in noobie systems.
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#137 - 2012-10-28 20:09:00 UTC
Zero Audier wrote:
I'm getting tired of people talking about this. Just hire some dam mercs with all those iskies you made from mining Roll.

I'm getting tired of James and his crew posting "miner" whine threads and pretending it's miners.

Actually can't decide if this James and company player action to point out the flaws with:

NPC Corps?
Mechanics of mining?
Merc contracts and kill rights?
Bounties?

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#138 - 2012-10-28 20:33:35 UTC
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Zero Audier wrote:
I'm getting tired of people talking about this. Just hire some dam mercs with all those iskies you made from mining Roll.

I'm getting tired of James and his crew posting "miner" whine threads and pretending it's miners.

Actually can't decide if this James and company player action to point out the flaws with:

NPC Corps?
Mechanics of mining?
Merc contracts and kill rights?
Bounties?

Sounds like highsec pvp needs to be nerfed more, that'll show them.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Pan Miller
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
#139 - 2012-10-28 21:05:44 UTC
The sad little man known as James 315 has raised 21 BILLION ISK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.minerbumping.com/2012/10/twenty-one-billion-in-shares-sold.html

I don't think people realize what kind of harm he can do with that much liquid ISK!!! December 4th approaches and the new bounty system isn't going to cut it! As he is so fond of pointing out, miners have a lot more to lose from the new bounty system than their cheap t1 bumping ships could ever cost them! What's to stop him from placing gratuitous bounties on every hulk/mack he sees???

We cannot rely on the reverse of the new bounty system because the payout from their crap ships will be nothing.

We have to higher good old fashioned mercs, REAL PVPers who are just as annoyed with the pansy mechanic-manipulation James and his drooling followers employ!

I have already recieved some contributions, but it's no 21 BILLION!!!

Jeez people, we have to put our money where our mouth is! Prove we aren't the wimps they assume we are!

Every ISK I recieve will go DIRECTLY to killing and podding these brain-dead agents. That's the only way! If we start podding them and COSTING THEM REAL MONEY, they will realize this boring cowardly behavior is EXPENSIVE as well!

DEATH TO THE NEW ORDER!
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#140 - 2012-10-28 21:07:36 UTC
Pan Miller wrote:
Jeez people, we have to put our money where our mouth is! Prove we aren't the wimps they assume we are!

You need to provide some content first, and the forums are not the place to do that. Show us what we're paying for; James has (and it's ******* hilarious).

CCP has no sense of humour.