EVE General Discussion

Effort is apparently overrated, I've even taken my bumping alt out of an NPC corp so aggravated miners can't complain that he's hiding in an unwardeccable corp.

The only effort that some seem to be willing to expend is to whine on the forums about people who are doing sandboxy type things in a sandbox.

Besides nowhere in CCPs advertising do they say that Eve is a happy smiley fluffy MMO, it's marketed as dark, unforgiving and inhabited by people who will cut your throat as soon as look at you, what part of this did some people misunderstand?

NOTE: This has been my experience and my experience only.

Unless it has changed recently, bumping a player for the sake of grief play is petitionable. I few months ago I did just that due to a corp bumping my mining ship in high sec. To my understanding they were required to aggress me or cease their actions, since there was no purpose to it other than grief play (they gave excuses but they didn't fly).

I have no issues with being aggressed or suicided in high sec space. You'll face the consequences. But playing simply to **** people off?

I don't understand why is it that some of you get a kick out of ruining people's gameplay. And when CCP closes whatever loopholes you use you get upset and rage about it as if it's some sort of right of yours to grief play.

Bumping a player for the sole purpose of griefing is indeed petitionable, however many miners have petitioned about the New Order and the reply is that they are not commiting an offence under the EULA, probably because the New Order are not doing it to grief, they are doing it because they wish to impose a licence/tax on Ice mining hence it is classed as emergent gameplay.

If they were to continue bumping a miner after the purchase of a permit & the miner complied with the terms of the permit, then it would be griefing. Miners with permits are generally left to their own devices as long as they comply with the terms of their permit, ergo it is not griefing.

Finally an argument, that is not just "WAH WAH WAH"

The truth is though fella, the profit from ganking miners in high sec is so low it's almost piontless, is is almost only done to **** of miners and it's done "because we can"

Bumping is much the same and much like ganking, there is stuff you can do about it. Just as a well tanked T2 Barge will in most cases survive a suicider, a moving ship will indeed aviod a bumping ship.

If however, you want your max yeild ships, stationary due so your you haulers and Orca can do their thing without moving, then you're going to get ganked and now it seems bumped.

The game ALREADY allows you to defend yourself and is already 100 times easier than it was. Why should it be so heavily bias in the miners favour?

Well it should not be, Eve is not now, nor was it ever meant to be a nice fluffy universe where we all hold hands and sings snogs about peace. It's was and will ever be (i hope) full of assholes like me, who will bully and pick on the weaker players. But let me assure you of this, when me and my type fail to gank a barge or hauler, because it is fit correctly we love it and have NOTHING but respect for that pilot and these moments prove to us, that there is another way, one that works as intended, with in current mechanics and does require CCP to change anything at all.

let me make this clear, if you are being greif'd it's you're onw fault, you are letting it happen. Before you coome on these fine fourms and whine about how hard life is in eve, making your 99% risk free isk. Take a long hard look at yourself and wonder, "could I be better?"

From some sadly, the answer will always be "no", but for others, there is a light at the end of the tunnel.

poor taste jokes are a part of eve.

Some make you sick, some make you giggle. But very few are meant for anything other than a laugh. For real, if you really saw my mum, you'd never want to **** her, in the ass or anything.

Soon the only way to beat them will be to become them.

best post in thread

(yes it's the Watchmen)

Also, I like the filth...

What do you not understand? CCP are extremely unlikely to change the rules, they have said in multiple petition replies that the current miner bumping campaign is not against the EULA. It is aimed at ice miners in general, and has a purpose both economically and educationally. In the event that CCP do change the rules then the bumpers are unlikely to produce tears, they'll just find another amusing and EULA compliant way of licensing and taxing ice mining, probably economically via market warfare or roving catalyst gangs holding pilots to ransom.

Certainly mining is a valid way to play as long as it's not AFK or under the control of an external application or script, however miners can't expect to be left to get on with it without interference, the whole game revolves around conflict over resources and the destruction of stuff.

Bumping and the Gallente ice interdiction are ways of waging economic warfare, by causing miners to lose cycles or explode, the supply of ice drops and the price goes up, currently there is an abundance of cheap ice products due to excessive farming, the bumpers and gankers are trying to correct that by restricting the supply.

Resources should not be infinite, they should deplete as they are harvested, currently both asteroid belts and planetary interaction resources deplete as they are used, ice does not.

Personally I think that the best thing CCP could do with ice mining is to use the current depletion mechanic they use for asteroids, once its gone, it's gone until the next downtime, even better would be to alter the respawn time to every 48 hrs and apply it to both ice and roids.

This makes me think you don't understand the game you're playing. Something is yours in Eve only if you can both take it and hang on to it with both hands. Everything of yours is there to be taken away from you; even the stuff in your hanger can be scammed if you're silly. The entire game is about fighting, not just with guns, but with skullduggery and shenanigans, too.

The tears must flow!