Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Did someone forget to 'name' this ship?

ORE frigate is its job.

Surely you can dream up some name for it (You named the Space coat-hanger, 'Apotheosis' after all)

Well, if you think about it, Mining barges ARE ORE cruisers. They are classified as medium ships (like combat cruisers and battlecruisers) and were in the cruiser column of CCPs ship chart.

So the real question is: Will CCP ever make ORE destroyer, battlecruiser or battleship sized ships?

I don't see any real need or fit for ORE destroyer or bc, but I have to admit, I think a BS class ORE ship would be great. Needed? probably not. But the idea of a Battle Ship class exhumer that could go out solo into deeper space and hold its own solo op with enough ore hold to be out for a while is a great concept.

Almost like a Rorq / Exhumer mix of some form, that does not do either job quite as well, but is capable of doing both in a limited fashion (ex: You can compress ores you mine, as you mine them, but are not able to compress other ore that is put into the bay from other ships / already present. It is part of the actual mining process of the ship. This would prevent it from taking the Rorq's role, yet still allow it to hold much more in its ore bay than others might. Only allow the ship in low or 0.0 space still, to prevent high sec compression. Just a concept idea).

So many other things in game to fix / balance which should take priority though. ;P

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What are you guys talking about? You want a mining barge that is bigger and even slower than a Hulk? That sounds like the worst.

We have (or will have) the ORE frig, the noctice, T1 and T2 barges, T1 and T2 haulers and capital industrial. The missing ship is the T3 industrial cruiser.

I'm reading posts from old players who are talking as if they're planning on trading in high level ships in order to use this entry level mining frigate. Listen people, this is not a gas mining ship for a 20m SP pilot to fly.

I'm also reading posts from old players who are talking as if it will prevent them from killing new miners when they invade low/null space. Listen people, newbies will die if they go into low/null sec. They simply do not have the techniques down to be able to avoid dying. By the time they figure out which button to click on, you'll have them locked and dead.

Any older alt trying to use this ship to invade low/null sec is going to get laughed at. Any new player who manages to avoid gate campers with this ship should be immediately signed up by your PvP corp!

It is a great step up for new miners just getting started. A paper thin frigate good for (very!) high sector, but will pop immediately if a couple of rats show up.

Keep things in perspective. This is a newbie level ship, not a high level ship for a 20m SP pilot.

Not true. There are plenty of industrial roles to fill:

1. A high level gas mining ship
2. Hacking and analysing ship
3. A mining command ship, that isn't the size of an orca, with bonuses to gang links
4. A mining ship that can warp cloaked

The list goes on...

1) Agreed.
2) We are getting exploration frigates and possibly T2 versions of them in the future
3) Use a command ship
4) God no. Not required.

^^This is exactly what I was thinking. If the 5% per level mining bonus affects the gas harveters.
It would be fine if it was 20m3 plus 25% which would give you 25m3 per cycle. But gas is like ice in that one unit is 10m3. So like ice a 25% bonus would be pointless as it would give you 2.5 units at level 5 which would round down to 2 units completely nullifying the bonus.

Also if this is meant to be the dedicated gas miner to replace using a Battle Cruiser, Should not the skill also be changed? A ship designed to fill the hole of a missing gas mining industrial ship should match up with the skill needed to use gas harvesters. This ship would have no benefit to training the gas mining skill past 2 as it can only use two gas harvesters. While the skill grants the use of an additional gas harvester per level to a maximum of 5.

I understand the concerns with possibly having a frigate with 5 turret slots. That just would not work unless those slots could equip nothing but mining lasers or gas miners. Maybe drop the gas mining yield bonus, give it 3 utility high slots, and remove the turret hard point requirement from the gas harvesters. It could still only hold 2 mining lasers but could then hold 5 gas harvesters. Leave or increase the gas harvester cycle time bonus, and it would out mine any other ship equipped with 5 gas miners. Vola the best gas miner in game, still benefiting from having gas mining trained to level 5.

Or if it had the gas mining yield bonus at 25% per level, it would still be pointless until you get it to 5, which makes it equal to 5 gas miners plus the cycle bonus. Only a slight yield improvement over using a Cane, aside from the ore hold. It just seems out of place to then have the gas mining skill add an additional gas harvester per level . As far as a noob ore mining ship with two bonused mining lasers it seems perfect.

Aside from that It looks great, cudos to the art department, and it will fill the spot of the noob mining frigate very well. But as it stands now, it will not out perform a BC with 5 gas miners and so will not become the new gas mining ship.

Looking forward to this ship. It's great to be able to fly a mining frigate with an actual ore hold (5000 vs a couple of hundred on the existing mining frigates) for those of us who are not full-time miners.

Too bad these ships can't swarm a Moon and Ninja grab Technetium Goo.