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Fleet Issue Typhoon...loving it.
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John Ratcliffe
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#81 - 2012-10-28 13:26:36 UTC
MastaKari wrote:

level 4's you run???
you find away of runnig different level 4's to the rest of us, i'm intrigued, please tell.

that tank i listed will run all Levels 4 that the rest of us have access too, and it's a lot cheaper as well. and the amount of cap boosters you could buy in place of your stupid tank would last you a lifetime.


I think you'd have a hard old time in The Assault for example.

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and that drake of yours got killed because of the fit you had on it.


No. The Drake got killed because I allowed myself into being baited by a loot ninja. Not a mistake I shall repeat. The fit was insane for PVE.

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one day you will see the light and learn how to fit and come to love cap boosters.


Given the crap you've spouted in this thread it won't be you that teaches me. That said, the fit I've made for my Mach has a cap booster - happy?

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but for now have fun buying plex to replace your loses when your loot pinata's get blown up, i can see we're not going to enlighten you on how to fit properly and sensibly.


I've never cried about it, so I don't see why you should.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
Kaanchana
Tax-haven
#82 - 2012-10-28 13:29:49 UTC
John Ratcliffe wrote:
Kaanchana wrote:

T2 ammo and launcher do more dps than faction anytime. The reason for not using them would be for the drawbacks that come with them and not for the dps. I cant believe i have to argue about this.


*sigh*

No, they don't. Look at the explosive velocity and radius of Fury and compare it to CN Faction. Yes, on paper, Fury does more damage but it can't apply that damage in the same way that Faction can.

I can't believe people still don't get this, it's really not difficult.


Excuse me, you just posted *facts* earlier that your fit with faction launchers do more dps than t2. I just want to see some proof of that.
Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#83 - 2012-10-28 13:43:53 UTC
John Ratcliffe wrote:
The Drake fit is insane. A T1 BC that can solo Lvl 4s should not be possible, yet this fit did it with ease. Why would I want to T2 anything on it? T2 resists = more dmg taken, T2 launchers = less RoF, T2 BCUs = less dmg inflicted. T2 sucks. T2 is for PVP or for tramps who can't spend money on proper Mods.


Drakes are well known for being OP'd because they can solo lvl 4's with ease.

The CN invuln is better than T2, but the CN thermic and EM give the same resists... unless your fit is tight on cpu or cap (its not, you've got no cap using modules aside from the hardeners), the CN specific hardeners are not providing you any benefit.
Meanwhile, you could upgrade your T2 LSEs to republic fleet LSEs to have a smaller sig radius for about the same cost.

On your CNR.... again you have a faction mod (cap recharger) that has equal stats to a T2, except lower fitting - if your fit was not tight on CPU, then you gain ZERO benefit from it.

As far as the CN launchers... they are the only faction type that is better than T2, I give you a pass on those... and a pass on faction beam lasers if you ever use those (they do less damage than T2, but T2 use something like 30% more cap, and cap does matter on those fits, also the T2 beam ammo is not as much of a bonus over T1, as what you get with pulse lasers)

How do you afford all this stuff? sell plex?
John Ratcliffe
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#84 - 2012-10-28 13:51:29 UTC  |  Edited by: John Ratcliffe
Verity Sovereign wrote:
On your CNR.... again you have a faction mod (cap recharger) that has equal stats to a T2, except lower fitting - if your fit was not tight on CPU, then you gain ZERO benefit from it.


I think I'd posted earlier that the CNR fit was extremely tight - I couldn't do it all with T2. It wouldn't fit even with Lvl V skills, and I think it's be over with an implant as well. I could have fitted a T2 Cap recharger, but as just about everything else was Faction I thought 'What the hell?'. But yes, you're right - needless ISK spend there.

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How do you afford all this stuff? sell plex?


Yes. I'm quite fortunate to be financially comfortable, and aside from road cycling I don't really have IRL ISK taps. So I buy Plex (4-5 Bn worth every so often) and also I run a lot of Lvl 4 missions, so that generates a minimum of 1 Bn ISK a month, usually double that - just depends how Care Bear I feel in that time Blink

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
Malgalad
NeptuneBlue
#85 - 2012-10-28 14:27:22 UTC
your fit is not that tight that you could not change some to T2, that is without implants. you could easily change all your medium mods, apart from the shield booster to t2. i'm thinking of this without the drone link and i not quite sure the point of it, though wiht a t2 drone link you would need a 2% implant.
i used to run a fairly similar fit to what Masta posted and it did run all Level4s well.

i've just run the launchers through EFT using all Level 5 skills to keep it balanced.
i got:
T2+ t2 ammo DPS: 407 Volley: 3696
T2+ Faction ammo DPS: 365 Volley: 3321
both faction DPS: 376 Volley: 3321


this is without lows or anything else. how did you manage to get higher DPS with faction?
John Ratcliffe
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#86 - 2012-10-28 14:56:38 UTC  |  Edited by: John Ratcliffe
Malgalad wrote:
i've just run the launchers through EFT using all Level 5 skills to keep it balanced.
i got:
T2+ t2 ammo DPS: 407 Volley: 3696
T2+ Faction ammo DPS: 365 Volley: 3321
both faction DPS: 376 Volley: 3321


this is without lows or anything else. how did you manage to get higher DPS with faction?


You get higher applied DPS with Faction. The radius on Fury is too big and velocity is too slow.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#87 - 2012-10-28 15:40:08 UTC
I've often heard that the T2 missile ammo is shite, unlike t2 close range turret ammo.
Either their explosion velocity/radius is too large for the high damage, or the damage is too low with the precision (or at least for a the benefit you get.

Its not like Pulse lasers where scorch is essentialSmile
John Ratcliffe
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#88 - 2012-10-28 20:20:23 UTC  |  Edited by: John Ratcliffe
Kaanchana wrote:
Excuse me, you just posted *facts* earlier that your fit with faction launchers do more dps than t2. I just want to see some proof of that.


Open EFT
Choose SNI & Lvl 5 skills
Add 4 x CN BCU
Add 6 x CN CML & Faction Ammo - Note DPS
Remove 6 x CN CML & Faction Ammo
Add 6 x T2 CML & Faction Ammo - Note DPS
Realise you're wrong

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose