EVE General Discussion

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Nice post.. Although, I don't think you need to take GD so seriously... But I have made some friends just shiptoasting in here... So each to their own I suppose...

I've been online gaming since Acoustic coupled modems and MUD's that were only available, when as far as the managers were concerned their company computer was on 'over night maintenance' running 'Communications soak tests'

I would have been an EVE veteran if I hadn't been so penny pinching and decided not to update my PC at the time and bought one of these new fangled 3D Graphics cards!

So I agree with the OP to a certain extent

Over the years I seen many a game forum.

In general I find game forums collect the following types of poster:

• I need help with X problem, genuine plea
• I need help with Y problem, but I am to lazy to do it myself
• The hardcore fan, the company is always right, even if they did start WWIII
• It's all going to Die, because of XY&Z!
• The Company is wrong and I know what is best for this game!
• I hate this game, but wont say why or leave!
• Lurkers (like me who just like observing how idiotic some people can be when they think they are anonymous)

There are plenty of others, but as long as nothing dramatic happens, like the Game is shutting or an update that did Genuinely upset the majority of players who never visit a Game Forum, Star Wars Galaxies Combat Update, EVE's Incursion!

Overall though Game Forums represent a very small percentage of the total number of players!

Why!

You have to remember most game companies (US Games especially) want consumers (Sheep who buy & play the game and say nothing)

The one thing any company hates are Fanatics from record companies to game companies FANS are the 5% to 10% of their consumers that take most of their time to control or remove!

As a result most other Game Forums (US Games especially)
Are sops to the FANS, companies provide them as it means they don't have to deal with individually, they can be herded into a coral & left to rant & rage, with severe moderation!

They are thrown an occasional bone every now and then and PR sometimes gather a few of the more presentable ones and uses them for an advertising stunt!

But that is all they do!

Some companies overtime end up with a major problem when the FANS are all they have left, EverQuest etc.

Then they have to do the Star Trek manoeuvre of divide them into Trekkers (Those who grew up with ST and now have large disposable incomes to tap) & Trekkies (Those fanatics that still need controlling, so they don't destroy the Trekker gravy train)

But again that is all they do!

EVE Online is the one major exception!

They have embraced their fans both Good & Bad and listen to them on, CSM, these Forums, Third Party Forums Open Test Servers!
The result is that, even allowing for ballot box stuffing , a large proportion of the players are active in EVE's survival

But this does mean you do see the extremes of the bell curve of human nature on the forums!

Recently with the up and coming laws on Trolling in the UK and court cases else where in the world CCP have now increased the policing of the more fruity style of posters.

That said the EVE forums these and third parties are still far more entertaining than watching paint dry, which is all you get in a lot of other game forums!

But as the OP says, there is smack talk, which when done well is highly entertaining and there is being juvenile obnoxious just because you can!

CCP are the exception they do listen to their FANS & players and they do give a huge amount of feedback. Hopefully they may have even learnt from their mistakes (Unlike SWG)

For that they do deserve a better quality of Forum Poster!

As for me I will go back to lurking and enjoying the latest Goon based Excitement or Alliance implosion!

One last observation! Yes CCP is a Company and Yes they do understand Fans need controlling just like any other company. They just do it a lot better than most

Not the worst forum I've been on... but it's up there. Just get really tired of "ohh STFU you're just so-and-so's alt."

For a game that tries to be more mature, there sure as hell are a lot of immature little ****s on this forum.

I can sum up your entire thread in one line, "horrified older man who believed that he was playing a game for mature people"


GD is a cesspit, but you are not looking at it correctly. Look at the other channels and they are pretty much troll free as they have a point. I troll on GD all the time but never on other channels and there are a lot of people like me.

See it as forum Pew.


Also the majority of people never read the forums or have any interest in it



Lastly if people ask honest questions that need a definative answer they normal get them with no trolling.

I totally agree with you OP.
But for me, it's even more frightening, because through that i see how humans tend to become more and more decadent in our real world.
I'm a roleplayer, and i can see the fun to play a decadent character.
But these forums are not about roleplay. It's directly the humans behind the keyboard who behave this way.
Oh of course there are nice and respectful people too, happilly. But i get more disheartened each time i attempt to be involved into EVE's community through the forums. For one correctly built and thought post there is litterally dozens of stupid posts.
It's not only EVE, ok, but i think that by not doing much about it, CCP is mixing in character harsh ambiance and demagogy/lazyness. I admire the ISD for dedicating their time trying to keep this mess a bit clean... I would have given up since long...
Thinking that people have nothing more creative and interesting to do of their life than writting such rubbish on a forum is truely breaking my heart.
I suppose than they do that out of frustration, because they can't really let their agressivity off steam in their real life, so they do it on internet, protected by their anonymity.
I have no idea how to change that. I have so much fun doing stuff, playing, learning... i would consider a uncredibly silly waste to use my energy in such a way... and i would really feel ashamed. But that's just me, and i don't await that my posts change anything here, for they will just laugh at these words and unleash even more their urge to dirty everything.

"Holds up hand"

Sorry! SORRY!!! My bad!

I'll try to clean up my act.

Then why does CCP bother basing game mechanics on suggestions here ?

It is out of whack.

Null is definitely out of whack in so many ways........

.........folks like myself who have come into the game the last 3 years have NO INTEREST in the nonsense there, and are content to remain in High Sec until things radically change.

Blame the goons there the ones who started this whole trolling the forums thing and ever since no one has looked back

The forums are a necessary part of EVE. The metagame dynamic is essentially powered by grudges and cultural incompatibility. The forums hugely facilitate the precious hatred and contempt required to keep people logging in to kill those scrubs.