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So being a nullsec miner the rat target chaing worried me . So i went to the test server and tried out mining under the new ai.

Using the ussuall battleship capstable belt tank getting all the agro i warped the mining fleet in and within seconds all the rats had changed targets to focusing down a hulk, Mind you we mine in hulks out here, the odd person has used a skiff as a belt tank for the rats pre patch but most allready had pve toons with cap stable BS's to tank the rats so they used them.

Now with all the rats on my hulk i turned on the reppers and watched them unable to keep up. With a faction invul field and a-type shield booster i was no where near being able to tank the damage from 3 frigates and 2 battleships.


So here are a few problems i see with this, Being in the allready **** state of mining nullsec mining aside from ark and bistot and the 2 h ores is almost barely more profitable than highsec mining which goes against how you ccp intends nullsec to be. While the rats are bigger and meaner out here are mining ships really ment to not be able to tank the rats? If everything even battleships swap to mining barges that are deadspace fit and still cant tank them how is this setup properly?

Not only is there an insanely long train for a hulk but now pilots need to train a good month-2 months of tanking skills to even not get alphad by the rats. Forget t1 mining barges while they could survive before becuase of a belt tank now there is no hope for anyone in a t1 mining barge in nullsec. I dont even want to think of how fast industrial ships will die trying to warp in to scoop ore from the jetcans if the rats are swaping within seconds to the hulks.

If this change and neglect of mining in nullsec with the rat ai is ment to make nullsec mining harder i can see alot of people leavin the nullsec belts for empire where the rats wont **** thier ships. And where they wont need a fit that costs more than thier ship does just to survive.

Why not make nullsec grav sites akin to that of wormhole ones where once the rats are dead they dont come back, This would solve alot of the problems with a very easy fix. Or Change it so larger class rats dont target industrials, ie cruiser+bc+bs rats. If simply mining is going to require a highskilled dps and tank ship that can kill rats before they hurt the hulks or making the mining fleet warp out every single time rats spawn i dare say alot of miners i know wont be bothered with attempting to mine.

Sorry if this is poorly worded or my grammar sucks becuase it indead does suck.

I did shoot the rats a bit with some civy guns to try and draw agro as damaging them to bad would force them to flee then return 10 minutes later.

I know skiffs can tank the spawns but them being 20.5% less yeild compared to the hulk doesnt sit well with me and im not using a mack since im not AFK mining. Tanking the rats doesnt always mean your afk mining it just means your enabling yourself to do what you set out, Being a miner i dont want to have to have a high skilled pve toon JUST to mine and requiring one is a bit ridiculas. And thats whats needed.

The dangerous part of nullsec is the lack of rules for other players. And in pve content the reward goes greatly higher with the ammount of dangerous rats in the plexs and anoms ect but in mining the reward barely moves up the slope while the danger climbs drasticly. The measures needed to safely rat in nullsec once this patch comes out with the ai set to insta agro miners as it is goes way off of the mining path.

Lowsec minerals will never be more profitable but thanks for having no clue what this thread is about.




This is a thread about non bots mining.

I guess you're supposed to kill the rats now rather than attempting to annoy them with civilian guns.

If you run with an escourt anyway just put him in a drake or a talos or something instead of a tank with civ guns and kill the rats instead of permatanking them. make a little extra isk and maybe get a spawn. I don't see a problem here...

I will def try the jamming method but it is always good to see opinions of people on mining when they themselves are not miners. Almost every post in this thread is from other people giving thier opinion of what they think about the mining situation come patch when they dont even do it. You may have "escorted" lol? some miners but obviously have no clue how it works in nullsec. I guess ccp is to busy to even look at this thread soooo....

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<-- Mining in high / 0.0, and (rarely) in low since 2004. I mainly mine, mission, and more recently, pvp. In that order.

Your complaint was met with almost universal disagreement, and instead of taking that thought to heart, you attempt to blanket discredit every one of the responers by saying they are not miners or have a clue about it?

Bough Revetoile has it on the money.

So are you saying you don't know much about 0.0 mining and want your proposed changes? Or are you trying for the (mostly mistaken) assumption that the others responding to you on this thread do not know about mining in 0.0? If its the latter, congratulations for getting me to bite into a troll thread and responding. Well done.

Always makes me lol nowadays when kids just label somthing troll without even knowing the meaning of it.

I am making mostly accurate asumptions based on the responses of others nullsec mining experience. You can tell due to the way people do things. No hardnened nullsec miner kills the rats unless they absolutely have to in current game due to the giant pain in the **** of having to deal with thier respawns. You dont use an "escort" when mining in nullsec since everysingle miner iv known can handle himself, if you need an escort you shouldnt be mining due to risk of loosing your ship.

And lol at hose who think im just going to stop mining becuase of these changes, ill get around it and still keep mining its just more of an inconvenance, youd think with the state of the mineral economy ccp would want to not make mining worse than it allready is.

For someone thats a hardned nullsec miner you dont seem to own any nullsec to mine in.

And i highly doubt killing under 6 rats every once in a while earns you a TON more money and considering the salvage is **** unless its t2 i doubt you make a TON on that as well.