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Miners Unite to Fight the New Order!

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#41 - 2012-10-28 00:49:05 UTC
Tesal wrote:
Why another post on James 315? The OP is playing right into his hand by making another post about this. Miner tears on the forums will only embolden him even more.

Thank you, OP !

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#42 - 2012-10-28 00:50:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Touval Lysander
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:


Now miners are crying about people bumping their ships. Given the pattern of pandering to the every whim of miners I'm going to bet we'll see something about this in patch notes soon.



Every action is followed by an equal and opposite reaction.

Simple.

Probably would avoid using Newtonian law taking into account a game that completely and utterly debunks most of the basis for the laws you so readily quote.

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#43 - 2012-10-28 01:57:05 UTC
It's also pretty inappropriate to use it in a situation where an actual physics simulation is happening, but you're actually not referring to that physics simulation.
Zero Audier
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2012-10-28 02:49:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Zero Audier
I think I can understand why miners are getting so butt hurt about this James fellow. Hell it pisses me off to some extent that he thinks he has the "divine right" and that hes the "savior of high sec". Hes implementing rules into a sandbox, making you follow them, and pay him for it. 10m isn't much, but forcing your own ideals is something I STRONGLY despise. Both in real life and in this game. I bet his rules are the reason they are this pissed.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#45 - 2012-10-28 02:50:20 UTC
Pan Miller wrote:
This character doesn't have many combat skills, but I'm looking into acquiring a fighter, I advise you to do the same.

You first character should've been a fighter mang :(
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#46 - 2012-10-28 02:52:04 UTC
Zero Audier wrote:
I bet is the reason that many miners are pissed off at him, even tho they don't even realize it.

I bet a large chunk of those miners are part of the RPG illusion Blink

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Zero Audier
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2012-10-28 02:55:09 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:
Zero Audier wrote:
I bet is the reason that many miners are pissed off at him, even tho they don't even realize it.

I bet a large chunk of those miners are part of the RPG illusion Blink


I would think of something witty and funny to say back. If I understood what you mean.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#48 - 2012-10-28 02:55:35 UTC
Zero Audier wrote:
I think I can understand why miners are getting so butt hurt about this James fellow. Hell it pisses me off to some extent that he thinks he has the "divine right" and that hes the "savior of high sec". Hes implementing rules into a sandbox, making you follow them, and pay him for it. 10m isn't much, but forcing your own ideals is something I STRONGLY despise. Both in real life and in this game. I bet his rules are the reason they are this pissed.

I don't worry about when I'm told to not shoot blues. That's part of being a member in a community.

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaa~~~~~~


So yeah, community. The Code. It's all set up pretty well.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
DeadSea Youngblood
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#49 - 2012-10-28 03:39:08 UTC
The counter to bumping is bumping. Why has no one pointed out the obvious?

Equal force in this game has to always be met with equal force. If I can't shoot you and you can't shoot me and you damn well shouldn't be able to shoot me if I bump you. You SHOULD be able to bump me.

So yo, Copernicus,

jump in a stabber and try
Vanyr Andrard
VacuumTube
#50 - 2012-10-28 03:43:36 UTC
DeadSea Youngblood wrote:
The counter to bumping is bumping. Why has no one pointed out the obvious?

Equal force in this game has to always be met with equal force. If I can't shoot you and you can't shoot me and you damn well shouldn't be able to shoot me if I bump you. You SHOULD be able to bump me.

So yo, Copernicus,

jump in a stabber and try



"counter-bumping doesn't work" - James315

http://www.minerbumping.com/2012/08/things-that-dont-work-counter-bumping.html
Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
#51 - 2012-10-28 03:51:39 UTC
Counter 1 = Orbit the damn roid as close as possible.

Amazing.

Wait, mining barges can orbit? Roll


Counter 2 = Probe gravimetric site and mine away.

Oh you don't have a clue about probing? Also what are gravimetric sites? I am not surprised... Roll


Counter 3 = Go to a less ******** system. You don't "have to" mine with the rest of the herd you know. Roll

Effort, right?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#52 - 2012-10-28 04:20:15 UTC
Ludi Burek wrote:
Counter 1 = Orbit the damn roid as close as possible.

Amazing.

Wait, mining barges can orbit? Roll


Counter 2 = Probe gravimetric site and mine away.

Oh you don't have a clue about probing? Also what are gravimetric sites? I am not surprised... Roll


Counter 3 = Go to a less ******** system. You don't "have to" mine with the rest of the herd you know. Roll

Effort, right?

Effort is a major issue in EVE Online. We all know about it.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#53 - 2012-10-28 04:25:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Touval Lysander
Zero Audier wrote:
Touval Lysander wrote:
Zero Audier wrote:
I bet is the reason that many miners are pissed off at him, even tho they don't even realize it.

I bet a large chunk of those miners are part of the RPG illusion Blink


I would think of something witty and funny to say back. If I understood what you mean.

RPG = role playing game
Illusion = not quite what it seems

"miners" whining posting in an RPG thread might be an illusion Blink

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#54 - 2012-10-28 04:29:59 UTC
Ludi Burek wrote:

Counter 1 = Orbit the damn roid as close as possible.

Doesn't work.

Ludi Burek wrote:

Counter 2 = Probe gravimetric site and mine away.

Heard a rumour bumpers can also scan. back to 1 maybe?

Ludi Burek wrote:

Counter 3 = Go to a less ******** system. You don't "have to" mine with the rest of the herd you know. Roll

THAT is the smart one - as long as you're not constantly followed.

Then it MIGHT be deemed griefing.... Blink

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Sejania Tor
Dog Nation
#55 - 2012-10-28 04:36:55 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Ludi Burek wrote:
Counter 1 = Orbit the damn roid as close as possible.

Amazing.

Wait, mining barges can orbit? Roll


Counter 2 = Probe gravimetric site and mine away.

Oh you don't have a clue about probing? Also what are gravimetric sites? I am not surprised... Roll


Counter 3 = Go to a less ******** system. You don't "have to" mine with the rest of the herd you know. Roll

Effort, right?

Effort is a major issue in EVE Online. We all know about it.



I agree, it's kind of ridiculous for them to think that they should be perfectly safe and happy to just mine away freely with no interruptions but the npc rats and then sell their ores and minerals thus flooding the market. Listen lame brain whiny miners! I am a miner also. Though not lately due to taking care of rl business. Use some common sense! There are these things called modules for shields and armor. Use them! And stop sitting there afking thinking that the rest of the players should just bow to your whims just because you want to mine and not even really play. I actually hope those of you that think the game should be made easier just because you showed up late to the ball end up leaving in a big huff. It's better then CCP making highsec into disneyland just to appease you morons.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#56 - 2012-10-28 04:37:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
As a member of the belligerently undesirable group that the OP is complaining about, if a bunch of miners can actually team up to provide some meaningful content, instead of hammering away at chunks of ice all day, then more power to them.

That would mean that some of the aims of the New Order have been accomplished, we will have forced them to be aware that Eve is a social game where both actions and inactions have consequences. Currently some Ice miners are guilty of inaction, the consequences are that they get bumped, the inaction in this case is twofold, one is failure to purchase a permit, the other is a failure to actually play the game instead of plugging away at inexhaustible resources.

The responses to petitions should tell the petitioners one thing, under the current rules what the New Order is doing is completely within the terms of the EULA, the GMs are going to do nothing about miner bumping because we're not breaking any rules or exploiting bugs in the game, collision mechanics are working as intended.

If you want us to stop doing it you have a couple of choices, one is to pay the paltry amount of 10 million to James315 for an annual permit, the other is to actually get off your lazy collective arse and actually do something about it that doesn't involve crying like small children on the forums, abusing New Order agents in local (this makes us lol) or petitioning a valid game mechanic.

If they can actually carry through on what the OP is suggesting then congratulations, welcome to the wonderful world of content creation, if they can't carry through on it because they couldn't organise a drunken outing in a brewery then they deserve everything that is currently happening to them, and more.

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Ersahi Kir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2012-10-28 04:39:14 UTC
I'm glad I stopped trying to convince my friends to play. If I had to defend miner bumping as a sandbox activity I would be embarrassed.

Carry on though if that's your bag.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#58 - 2012-10-28 04:40:49 UTC
Ersahi Kir wrote:
I'm glad I stopped trying to convince my friends to play. If I had to defend miner bumping as a sandbox activity I would be embarrassed.

Carry on though if that's your bag.


How is it any different from bumping people on the undock or bumping people to prevent them warping? same mechanic, same result.

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Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#59 - 2012-10-28 04:42:41 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Ersahi Kir wrote:
I'm glad I stopped trying to convince my friends to play. If I had to defend miner bumping as a sandbox activity I would be embarrassed.

Carry on though if that's your bag.


How is it any different from bumping people on the undock or bumping people to prevent them warping? same mechanic, same result.


yawn

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#60 - 2012-10-28 04:45:21 UTC
Ersahi Kir wrote:
I'm glad I stopped trying to convince my friends to play. If I had to defend miner bumping as a sandbox activity I would be embarrassed.

Carry on though if that's your bag.

Bit like 2 fairies bumping each other in WOW, wearing Sumo wrestler suits.

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."