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PVP In Null...

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Max Doobie
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-10-27 20:57:31 UTC


Haven't been playing long, so I'm really just asking questions and not complaining but:

-Took a look @ the SOV map earlier and noticed the huge blobs. Did more research and read up on these "coalitions". My question is: do these guys ever actually fight? Given how large these Alliances are, any hostile activity between them would be noticeable or at least be talked about on the forums. Just seems like everyone's buddy-buddy and scared to fight and lose ships and SOV. Is that how Null is?

-How exactly does one go about joining this conflict (if there is one). I know about spies and them having strict rules on admission but others told me these guys require you to join a forum (that you have to pay for) and wait like 3-4 months.

...can I get into some large scale pvp without having to wait 1/4 of a year??

- I know about Eve University but it takes them too long to let you in. Are there any other large scale noob corps out ? I'm interested in Manufacturing and Piracy.

- On average how is this community towards new players?

ty.

Doobay.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#2 - 2012-10-27 21:04:35 UTC
The large corporations fight all the time.
The community is friendly to new players that are willing to learn from their mistakes and listen.
The easiest way to get into a null sec corp is probably just to do loads of PvP. Just attack ships you stand no chance of winning against until someone invites you into a corp. It might be an idea to join a training corp first to learn some PvP basics first though.
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#3 - 2012-10-27 21:17:24 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
The large corporations fight all the time.
The community is friendly to new players that are willing to learn from their mistakes and listen.
The easiest way to get into a null sec corp is probably just to do loads of PvP. Just attack ships you stand no chance of winning against until someone invites you into a corp. It might be an idea to join a training corp first to learn some PvP basics first though.

I think that's his point.

Training alliance. Too long.
Large alliance. Too long.

I think he just wants to join an alliance - without the BS - so he can "attack ships"

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."

Samahiel Sotken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-10-27 21:23:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Samahiel Sotken
Max Doobie wrote:

-How exactly does one go about joining this conflict (if there is one). I know about spies and them having strict rules on admission but others told me these guys require you to join a forum (that you have to pay for) and wait like 3-4 months.


Individual corporations have vastly different standards on recruiting. The only corp that draws from a paid for forums is Goonwaffe, and we're a corp for the small minority of forum members that happen to play EVE; it is not a forum for people that want to fly with us.

TheMittani.com and Kugutsumen.com have good articles and threads on the high level Null Sec warfare going on. Before you make the jump into Null, unless you already have friends and connections there, I would familiarize yourself with the basics of PVP and get involved in something like FW, RvB or EVE Uni to figure out if you even like that level of organized fleet combat.
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#5 - 2012-10-27 21:25:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Bane Necran
Join the recruitment channel and you'll see 0.0 corps looking to recruit PvP players of every SP amount and experience level.

The real difficulty is finding one that isn't full of jerks.

Max Doobie wrote:
On average how is this community towards new players?


Generally, this community treats everyone poorly. Form a circle of close friends and stick with them.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi

Iam a Spy2
solo and loveing it
#6 - 2012-10-27 21:27:01 UTC
Samahiel Sotken wrote:
Max Doobie wrote:

-How exactly does one go about joining this conflict (if there is one). I know about spies and them having strict rules on admission but others told me these guys require you to join a forum (that you have to pay for) and wait like 3-4 months.


Individual corporations have vastly different standards or recruiting. The only corp that draws from a paid for forums is Goonwaffe, and we're a corp for the small minority of forum members that happen to play EVE; it is not a forum for people that want to fly with us.

TheMittani.com and Kugutsumen.com have good articles and threads on the high level Null Sec warfare going on. Before you make the jump into Null, unless you already have friends and connections there, I would familiarize yourself with the basics of PVP and get involved in something like FW, RvB or EVE Uni to figure out if you even like that level of organized fleet combat.



Sound more like "please join goons we need more meat shields".
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2012-10-27 21:30:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Max Doobie wrote:

Haven't been playing long, so I'm really just asking questions and not complaining but:

-Took a look @ the SOV map earlier and noticed the huge blobs. Did more research and read up on these "coalitions". My question is: do these guys ever actually fight? Given how large these Alliances are, any hostile activity between them would be noticeable or at least be talked about on the forums. Just seems like everyone's buddy-buddy and scared to fight and lose ships and SOV. Is that how Null is?
No, it's just not discussed here (because these forums are bad). There are several nasty wars going on at the moment. In fact, I'm in a fleet op right now.

Quote:
-How exactly does one go about joining this conflict (if there is one). I know about spies and them having strict rules on admission but others told me these guys require you to join a forum (that you have to pay for) and wait like 3-4 months.

...can I get into some large scale pvp without having to wait 1/4 of a year??

- I know about Eve University but it takes them too long to let you in. Are there any other large scale noob corps out ? I'm interested in Manufacturing and Piracy.

- On average how is this community towards new players?

There are some out-of-game forum communities that have alliances, one of which has a membership fee (Goonfleet) and to my knowledge the rest of which do not. Being new, your choices in alliances and corps is not universal (lack of reputation, lack of SP, lack of references), but by no means is it scarce. As they are all completely player-controlled social constructs, recruiting policies, corp culture and requirements run the gamut of human nature. The good side is once you start building reputation and credibility, your options in 0.0 increase as you demonstrate value. If your corporation is uplifted as a group, their options increase as well. Having training groups like EVE-Uni and RvB and others help on your 'resume' because they demonstrate a willingness to learn and fight for one's alliance.
Samahiel Sotken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-10-27 21:33:09 UTC
Iam a Spy2 wrote:
Sound more like "please join goons we need more meat shields".


I'm sorry, you're not getting in right now. Maybe next month when we have some open positions I'll sponsor you in for a reasonable security deposit.
Arkon Olacar
black.listed
#9 - 2012-10-27 21:51:28 UTC
If the corp or alliance you intend to join uses the word 'CTA' at any point, run away as fast as you can.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-10-27 21:58:07 UTC
Samahiel Sotken wrote:
Max Doobie wrote:

-How exactly does one go about joining this conflict (if there is one). I know about spies and them having strict rules on admission but others told me these guys require you to join a forum (that you have to pay for) and wait like 3-4 months.


Individual corporations have vastly different standards on recruiting. The only corp that draws from a paid for forums is Goonwaffe, and we're a corp for the small minority of forum members that happen to play EVE; it is not a forum for people that want to fly with us.

TheMittani.com and Kugutsumen.com have good articles and threads on the high level Null Sec warfare going on. Before you make the jump into Null, unless you already have friends and connections there, I would familiarize yourself with the basics of PVP and get involved in something like FW, RvB or EVE Uni to figure out if you even like that level of organized fleet combat.


To add to this I'll make this simple statement. How much fun you have in nullsec depends entirely on how well you mesh with the cultures of the pilots you are joining. There are several entities in the last several years that controlled vast tracts of lands that were literally rolled up and tossed into the junk bin because they had no "Identity" and rather than looking outward to fight people they didn't like, spent entire years infighting and bickering.

Then when someone did come to blow their sandcastles down, instead of teaming up and killing the invader they spent all of their time screaming at each-other in back channels.

Does that sound fun?

No?

I'd suggest finding a group that isn't like that.
Arsedestroyer
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-10-27 22:00:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Arsedestroyer
Max Doobie wrote:



- I know about Eve University but it takes them too long to let you in. Are there any other large scale noob corps out ? I'm interested in Manufacturing and Piracy.




Red vs Blue is usually a good starting point to get to know people and some KB stats. Acceptance is pretty much instant and the stupid meat-grinder pvp you'll face transfers over to 0.0 pretty well.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-10-27 22:00:42 UTC
Also I'd be wary of pushing people to Kugutsumen. Maybe a couple of years ago, but now it's just a bunch of smug assholes trying to out "one liner" the next guy. It's basically what somethingawful would be if the mods didn't ban people to keep that dumb bullshit under control.
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#13 - 2012-10-27 22:04:01 UTC
Arkon Olacar wrote:
If the corp or alliance you intend to join uses the word 'CTA' at any point, run away as fast as you can.


Well, mandatory CTAs at least. Nothing worse than being in an Alliance which treats everyone so badly about not coming to CTAs it makes them not want to go even more. It's the death knell of many alliances.

For the OP, CTA = Call To Arms. Pretty much just means the CEO and other higher ups get lonely and want everyones attention on a regular basis. There may also be PvP.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2012-10-27 22:04:47 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Also I'd be wary of pushing people to Kugutsumen. Maybe a couple of years ago, but now it's just a bunch of smug assholes trying to out "one liner" the next guy. It's basically what somethingawful would be if the mods didn't ban people to keep that dumb bullshit under control.

never was the same after clomsaver left
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#15 - 2012-10-27 22:32:40 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Also I'd be wary of pushing people to Kugutsumen. Maybe a couple of years ago, but now it's just a bunch of smug assholes trying to out "one liner" the next guy. It's basically what somethingawful would be if the mods didn't ban people to keep that dumb bullshit under control.

They don't have mods to stop dumb bullshit by banning people?

It sounds like a horrible and barbaric existence.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Samahiel Sotken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-10-27 22:34:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Samahiel Sotken
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Also I'd be wary of pushing people to Kugutsumen. Maybe a couple of years ago, but now it's just a bunch of smug assholes trying to out "one liner" the next guy. It's basically what somethingawful would be if the mods didn't ban people to keep that dumb bullshit under control.


You are right about that, it's sad how few public resources there are out there. I was mainly just trying to find something other than TheMittani.com since I like to give alternatives.

I'm really glad I always have SomethingAwful.com to read, and I'm glad they had an EVE group when I thought about playing this game. It really does take a good social group to make this game fun.
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#17 - 2012-10-27 22:35:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Touval Lysander
Bane Necran wrote:
Arkon Olacar wrote:
If the corp or alliance you intend to join uses the word 'CTA' at any point, run away as fast as you can.


Well, mandatory CTAs at least. Nothing worse than being in an Alliance which treats everyone so badly about not coming to CTAs it makes them not want to go even more. It's the death knell of many alliances.

For the OP, CTA = Call To Arms. Pretty much just means the CEO and other higher ups get lonely and want everyones attention on a regular basis. There may also be PvP.

Unfortunately, NOT joining CTA's can be the "death knell" for alliances.

And given that your predecessors AND your mates DO/DID CTA's, you have the space in which to conduct your non-CTA enjoyment.

Go figure.

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."

Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-10-27 22:41:02 UTC
Max Doobie wrote:


Haven't been playing long, so I'm really just asking questions and not complaining but:

-Took a look @ the SOV map earlier and noticed the huge blobs. Did more research and read up on these "coalitions". My question is: do these guys ever actually fight? Given how large these Alliances are, any hostile activity between them would be noticeable or at least be talked about on the forums. Just seems like everyone's buddy-buddy and scared to fight and lose ships and SOV. Is that how Null is?

Yes, fighting is happening on a daily basis. It's just that most people don't see the need to post on the forums about battle #1248 where our fleet wiped the enemy fleet or vice versa. In general the forums (these forums in particular) offer a very crooked view of 0.0 life. If you want to know about actual battles, check out news sites such as evenews24 or themittani.com.

Quote:
-How exactly does one go about joining this conflict (if there is one). I know about spies and them having strict rules on admission but others told me these guys require you to join a forum (that you have to pay for) and wait like 3-4 months.

Not all alliances require you to do so. The first step is to do some research on the people you want to join: which side of the conflict do you want to be on, is the area of space where they live important to you, which ships they fly compared to which ships you can fly, etc. Then look at the corporations' recruitment policies and apply to one you like. Be honest about your skills and experience - I would accept someone new to the game who genuinely admits that he needs training over someone boasting his "leet pvp skillz" and bilions of cash.

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...can I get into some large scale pvp without having to wait 1/4 of a year??

Yes, you definitely can. I've seen people three days into the game in fleet fights. I've seen a week old character in a Rifter tackle an enemy Tengu and score a 1.5 billion ISK kill. Different alliances have a different tolerance to new people though; remember that EVE is a game of patience and a game played for the long term. But on the whole from my experience at least the CFC alliances are very tolerant to newbies.

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I'm interested in Manufacturing and Piracy.

I'm confused about this statement though. In 0.0, you won't find much of either. Manufacturing is primarily done in highsec, while piracy is the domain of soloers or small corps in lowsec. In 0.0 expect alliance territorial warfare and large-scale fleet fights.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#19 - 2012-10-27 22:44:44 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
Max Doobie wrote:


Haven't been playing long, so I'm really just asking questions and not complaining but:

-Took a look @ the SOV map earlier and noticed the huge blobs. Did more research and read up on these "coalitions". My question is: do these guys ever actually fight? Given how large these Alliances are, any hostile activity between them would be noticeable or at least be talked about on the forums. Just seems like everyone's buddy-buddy and scared to fight and lose ships and SOV. Is that how Null is?

Yes, fighting is happening on a daily basis. It's just that most people don't see the need to post on the forums about battle #1248 where our fleet wiped the enemy fleet or vice versa. In general the forums (these forums in particular) offer a very crooked view of 0.0 life. If you want to know about actual battles, check out news sites such as evenews24 or themittani.com.

Yeah nullsec is really interesting, I myself ---
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
If you want to know about actual battles, check out news sites such as evenews24

... wait a sec. No. Haha. No.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Red Teufel
Calamitous-Intent
#20 - 2012-10-27 23:34:59 UTC
join a pvp alliance. ask questions about what they require and look for. eventually earn those reqs and join them. if you just want to hop in a sweet alliance with no pvp experience, it wont ever happen. you can't be super good if you got tons of pilots with little to no experience.
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