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Proposal: Higher Penalties for High Security Space Attacks (Ganks)

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Skunk Gracklaw
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#21 - 2011-10-17 23:06:37 UTC
Grayko wrote:

this is a post to try and make this game a better experience for all High Sec pilots.

No it's not. It's for you to whine about people playing the game within the rules.
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2011-10-17 23:08:23 UTC
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
Drake Draconis wrote:
I have to say...I think the "hate goon" atitude is seriously misguided and mob related.

I'm increasindly finding it hard to hate goons based on the reasons people give.

Oh sure what they do is not necessarily nice...but then I've seen worse and most of which are not Goons.

Go figure.



there are reasons people hate goons?

i just hate because i feel like giving a reason when i let off a couple volley's in their direction and running away when they spam battleships at me. that, and most of my buddies flew under the DRF banner (not me though) and currently many of them fly under Atlas., but that is pretty much the extent of the reasons i have to hate goons.

that being said, anyone who hates gons because they scam and play "unfair" is just in the wrong part of high-sec and/or needs to actually look at that contract before they accept the "good deal".



Other than obvious cheap shots...I must sheepishly admit that most of my "anti-goon-isms" where based on the angry mob.

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Gritz1
Ice Fire Warriors
#23 - 2011-10-17 23:18:33 UTC
This is a space PVP simulator, you are safe no where.

The criminal loses their ship, you receive your insurance money (because you are smart and have it insured) and you move on with your life and deal with the fall out, just like real life.

Welcome to Eve. Space is a cold, lonely place... Happy flying P
Feligast
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2011-10-18 07:32:19 UTC
Grayko wrote:
other views. the people that Gank in High Sec. probablly can't survive in NULL or LOW sec. so they need to fell BIGGER by picking on the smaller, weaker players. School Yard Bullies..


You're right, Goons have had SUCH a hard time getting a foothold in nullsec. We'll probably have to disband for lack of space to do anything.

Gritz1 wrote:
, you receive your insurance money (because you are smart and have it insured)


butbut.. it's HIGHSEC! Insurance is just a waste of money!
Feligast
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2011-10-18 07:33:21 UTC
Drake Draconis wrote:
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
Drake Draconis wrote:
I have to say...I think the "hate goon" atitude is seriously misguided and mob related.

I'm increasindly finding it hard to hate goons based on the reasons people give.

Oh sure what they do is not necessarily nice...but then I've seen worse and most of which are not Goons.

Go figure.



there are reasons people hate goons?

i just hate because i feel like giving a reason when i let off a couple volley's in their direction and running away when they spam battleships at me. that, and most of my buddies flew under the DRF banner (not me though) and currently many of them fly under Atlas., but that is pretty much the extent of the reasons i have to hate goons.

that being said, anyone who hates gons because they scam and play "unfair" is just in the wrong part of high-sec and/or needs to actually look at that contract before they accept the "good deal".



Other than obvious cheap shots...I must sheepishly admit that most of my "anti-goon-isms" where based on the angry mob.


Angry mobs best mobs! Lol
Anna Orkiste
DELTA FORCE RANGERS
#26 - 2011-10-18 10:51:31 UTC
Gritz1 wrote:
This is a space PVP simulator, you are safe no where.

The criminal loses their ship, you receive your insurance money (because you are smart and have it insured) and you move on with your life and deal with the fall out, just like real life.

Welcome to Eve. Space is a cold, lonely place... Happy flying P



Not true ganker to resives back insurance and loses noting. Sec status is not inaf punishment for ganking that shows in number off high sec ganks over all check KBs once a time. AND HULK IS T2 SHIP or makinaw so you resive noting close to the ship cost even with highest insureance. SO lets make calcualtion.

Ganker: cheep ship at max 100 milj with all fiting. Insurenace covers atleast 60 milj form lose. AT max 40 milj lose.
Miner: 250 milj with all fiting Insurance cover 4 milj. lose 244 milj.

Conclusion ganker lost only 40 milj in atack miner lost lath more 244 milj.

IN real life i culd get back form ppl all that money, in eve i dont have mechanics get out from them money ho damaget my property, even if i wuld not insure a ting, property was damaget from mader ppl actions they wuld need pay me back, or get arested and sit long long time in jal, so even not close to the RL.

So curent mechenics wrong eve looking form RL prospective.
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#27 - 2011-10-18 13:34:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Samillian
HiSec is not and has never been "safe" only "safer".

I still find it hard to believe that anyone who has played long enough to get out of a noob ship hasn't been able to crowbar that simple fact into their skull. The only way to stay perfectly safe in EvE is to stay docked, you should rejoice in the risk implicit in EvE as that is what makes the game worth playing even in HiSec (though only just HiSec is a stagnant, overpopulated pool) and lifts it above the mediocrity of most other MMO's.

Ends sermon, steps off soapbox .

NBSI shall be the whole of the Law
Roldanus
Black Anvil Industries
#28 - 2011-10-18 18:13:47 UTC
Grayko wrote:

this is a post to try and make this game a better experience for all High Sec pilots.

if I can’t afford to replace my ship. How do you think I have the money (250 MIL ISK) to throw away ??

I have no interest in paying your Corp any money of any kind.


Vultures is all you are.!!

I wish you nothing but Failure in your pursuit of personal pleasure at other's expense.


I AGREE WITH YOUR POST.
There are things and initiatives happpening atm.
It is useless to post it here as a good portion of CSM follwers and supporters are actually the responsibles of much of all griefing, can flipping and other abusive activities in EVE.

Please contact me in eve tonight for further details.

Rolds
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#29 - 2011-10-18 21:44:06 UTC
This is a PvP game with some PvE content. Don't like it, don't play it.


I don't like vampires, so I won't be playing WoD, no matter how well done it is.
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
#30 - 2011-10-18 21:55:25 UTC
Grayko wrote:
Like I have also said, I have no intention on doing any PVP type of game play.


Oh, but you do engage in Player vs Player activity everytime you log in.

If you mine, like I do in HiSec space, then you compete with other players for the best belts in the system.

If you build stuff for the open market, then you compete with other players for the best prices. i.e. Price Wars

If you day trade, then you compete with other players in trade wars.

How you forget that EVE is all PvP, just not always combat related.

Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen.                   And some days, you're just a man with a gun.
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
#31 - 2011-10-18 22:13:38 UTC
Grayko wrote:


This type of game play is hard on all of us that cannot afford to buy PLEX's and support our loses, it took me about a month of

mining and selling my minerals to come up with the money to buy and outfit a HULK. The lose of a 200 MIL ship cause a

combat pilot can come in and destroy the ship before Concord responds, can be negative on a person's gaming experience.

Not to mention Very Frustrating as well, being set back 1 month's hard work, to satisfy a players need to cause others grief.

I am an Industry player, I've played many games, and ALL the games I have played they have had a Separation between

players that want PvP and those who don't. I have no interest in PvP. and I feel that these constant attacks are an insult to my

game play, and a waste of my time. I hope this doesn't fall on deaf ears. Remember CCP's CEO's promise to fix the areas

that the players want fixed..

Overall this is a negative experience that can ultimately cause people to lose interest in the game and cancel their accounts.

Thank you,

Grayko


If you mine in HiSec like I do, you can easily make upwards of 100mil a day with two hulks and an orca. So, it would only take you a few days to recover from a suicide gank. You don't need to buy a PLEX to make money. You just want to take a short cut. But, as you are finding out, the short cut isn't really so short now is it?

Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen.                   And some days, you're just a man with a gun.
Roldanus
Black Anvil Industries
#32 - 2011-10-18 23:31:53 UTC
Grayko wrote:
Again, a post that doesn't pay attention to the Topic...

I am NOT saying stop it intirely. just make it more even.

how far or equal is it when:

1. I lose a 250 MIL ship.

2. the attacker loses a 100MIL or less ship and flys away in their POD..

let's make High Sec Ganking more challenging to players that want to pick on lesser skilled players..

all of your replys is what I expected, bashing me telling me I'm Naive,, I don't understand the Game Mechanics.

I'm older than most of the people that play EVE.

I understand the mechanics perfictly. that's why I'm posting they should be changed to make it more balanced.

so fell happy about Killing my ships..

other views. the people that Gank in High Sec. probablly can't survive in NULL or LOW sec. so they need to fell BIGGER by picking on the smaller, weaker players. School Yard Bullies..

Enjoy,


Bash me all you want. This is my final post..


Don't lose your time with this guys Grayco.
Soon we will have a way to express ourselves, believe me.
Roldanus
Black Anvil Industries
#33 - 2011-10-18 23:36:16 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
This is a PvP game with some PvE content. Don't like it, don't play it.


I don't like vampires, so I won't be playing WoD, no matter how well done it is.


I play EvE because I like it. That doesn't mean that enjoy morons to take advantage of the game flaws to be a hassle.
Go do some incursions and stop firing Mackinaws cowards.
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
#34 - 2011-10-18 23:48:52 UTC
Roldanus wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
This is a PvP game with some PvE content. Don't like it, don't play it.


I don't like vampires, so I won't be playing WoD, no matter how well done it is.


I play EvE because I like it. That doesn't mean that enjoy morons to take advantage of the game flaws to be a hassle.
Go do some incursions and stop firing Mackinaws cowards.



You are obviously mis-informed on the game mechanics of EVE. Being able to attack others in hisec is apart of the game, not a flaw. The only flaw in EVE is the belief that you are safe in hisec.

The best advice I was ever given as a new player was: For every hour you play EVE, you should spend an hour reading on how to play EVE.

Don't complain because there is a player base that understands the game mechanics better than you. It just belittles you and your efforts ingame.

Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen.                   And some days, you're just a man with a gun.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#35 - 2011-10-19 00:30:55 UTC
Concord podding gankers just means they use jump clones, or use cheap implants. It would have zero impact on ganking.

The goons are presently engaged in an operation to affect the market, and that requires destroying mining barges and exhumers in high sec. This is an invasion, a guerilla war being fought by the Goonswarm in order to deny their enemies resources while strengthening their own. The fact that the everyday miner is impacted by this is simply a matter of course. As with all wars, a lot of innocent people are caught in the middle. Your losses are collateral damage and a means to an end.

And no, I'm not a goon.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Smiling Menace
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2011-10-19 00:39:39 UTC
Grayko wrote:
Again, a post that doesn't pay attention to the Topic...

I am NOT saying stop it intirely. just make it more even.

how far or equal is it when:

1. I lose a 250 MIL ship.

2. the attacker loses a 100MIL or less ship and flys away in their POD..

let's make High Sec Ganking more challenging to players that want to pick on lesser skilled players..

all of your replys is what I expected, bashing me telling me I'm Naive,, I don't understand the Game Mechanics.

I'm older than most of the people that play EVE.

I understand the mechanics perfictly. that's why I'm posting they should be changed to make it more balanced.

so fell happy about Killing my ships..

other views. the people that Gank in High Sec. probablly can't survive in NULL or LOW sec. so they need to fell BIGGER by picking on the smaller, weaker players. School Yard Bullies..

Enjoy,


Bash me all you want. This is my final post..


Dude, they are Goons/TEST. Sorry to burst your bubble here but they live in null sec. They couldn't care less about their pod or security status as most null sec pilots don't use implants.

I once felt as you did when I first started but I learned to use D-Scan and pay close attention to local and ships nearby.

Any losses you incur due to your lack of awareness is, ultimately, your own fault.

Eve is a harsh, complicated and dark game. We like it this way and would like to keep it this way.

Don't support this service and/or product.
Roldanus
Black Anvil Industries
#37 - 2011-10-19 05:16:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Roldanus
Skunk Gracklaw wrote:
Grayko wrote:

this is a post to try and make this game a better experience for all High Sec pilots.

No it's not. It's for you to whine about people playing the game within the rules.


Says who?

Dont pretend to rule this game dude.
We will make this game more fun to a broader audience.
Greifers will go down.
Lykouleon
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
#38 - 2011-10-19 05:49:24 UTC
Drake Draconis wrote:
Other than obvious cheap shots...I must sheepishly admit that most of my "anti-goon-isms" where based on the angry mob.


We here at Wildly Inappropriate are willing to overlook your previous transgressions if you give us all hugs.

Also, OP is obviously ~mad~ that his risk-averse play style was interrupted in a game where PVP is non-consensual and unlimited in scope. Hooray.

HKO is that way --->

Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2011-10-19 06:24:59 UTC
Lykouleon wrote:
Drake Draconis wrote:
Other than obvious cheap shots...I must sheepishly admit that most of my "anti-goon-isms" where based on the angry mob.


We here at Wildly Inappropriate are willing to overlook your previous transgressions if you give us all hugs.

Also, OP is obviously ~mad~ that his risk-averse play style was interrupted in a game where PVP is non-consensual and unlimited in scope. Hooray.

HKO is that way --->


Sorry no Hugs.

But respect... and props?

Yes.

Besides your not an original goon. Cool

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Roldanus
Black Anvil Industries
#40 - 2011-10-19 06:31:57 UTC
Lykouleon wrote:
Drake Draconis wrote:
Other than obvious cheap shots...I must sheepishly admit that most of my "anti-goon-isms" where based on the angry mob.


We here at Wildly Inappropriate are willing to overlook your previous transgressions if you give us all hugs.

Also, OP is obviously ~mad~ that his risk-averse play style was interrupted in a game where PVP is non-consensual and unlimited in scope. Hooray.

HKO is that way --->


You can have as many hugs as you want.
I would really like to support you, as I do have a lot of friends in Goon, unfortunately your alliance behavior is widely known for their abuses of power.

In some cases you picked the wrong Corps as allies. You are definitely building a bad reputation.