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"Forcing People to Leave the Game" and "Forcing a Specific Playstyle"

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SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#101 - 2012-10-27 00:30:36 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Nexus Day wrote:
In a certain PvP focused MMO the vocal minority dominated the forums stating they were not getting enough rewards for their actions. Their gripe was that the larger population, the blob, received the rewards even though a minority did all the fighting.

The developers listened to this mnority, which I was one of, and shifted the rewards more towards those willing to take risk.

Almost two years later the population is 1/20th of its previous levels from 2 years ago and the game continues its death shuffle. Now the forums reminisce of how wonderful the game was when it had population and battlefields filled with hundreds instead of dozens.

But hey, carry on. I think CCP can tolerate your whining more than they can tolerate a change in their bank accounts.

Counterpoint: Trammel.


Do we have to go there? The only thing positive that expansion added was housing space.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#102 - 2012-10-27 00:34:27 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:
Spoken like someone who actually has no idea about how to run a business.


Actually, our family business has kept us well feed for quite a long time. But whatever, believe what you want. The Universe is not obligated to keep a straight face.


Family businesses and corporations are vastly different environments. As someone who has worked at management levels in both types of organizations you should probably be made aware of this.

Individual customers are a family businesses bread and butter. In a Corporation long term gains are far more likely to be looked at.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#103 - 2012-10-27 00:37:32 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Find an example where anyone from our organisation has said we wish to remove mining.


Remove all mining? Of course not. You simply want to remove all high-sec mining. Which, in turn, lets all of your null-sec bot fleets monopolize the entire market. Which, in turn, means everyone will have to go to null-sec to buy anything. Which, in turn, is only possible if they are willing to swear fealty to your wonderful null-sec alliance. Which, in turn, gives your CEO another pixel on his e-peen. Which, in turn, is pretty much the raison d'etre of playing EvE, right? To force everyone to play the way you want them to or not at all?


I can assure you the last thing I ever want to do is fit a mining laser to a spaceship.
Zagdul
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#104 - 2012-10-27 00:48:59 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
The belligerent undesirables will be pushed out and then the game will be for everyone. Smile

What if I want to be belligerent and undesirable in my sandbox?

Dual Pane idea: Click!

CCP Please Implement
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#105 - 2012-10-27 00:57:19 UTC
Zagdul wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
The belligerent undesirables will be pushed out and then the game will be for everyone. Smile

What if I want to be belligerent and undesirable in my sandbox?

You are belligerent and undesirable in our sandbox.

I've certainly never pegged you for desirable and unbelligerent.

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
#106 - 2012-10-27 01:34:40 UTC
What are these undesirables I keep hearing about? Isn't that synonymous with unwanted?
Yes, that's it. Not wanted.
From now on, an undesirable is any person without a bounty on their head.
I on the other hand am quite desirable. The red stamp on my in-game portrait says so.

Who put the goat in there?
Zagdul
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#107 - 2012-10-27 01:49:04 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:
Zagdul wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
The belligerent undesirables will be pushed out and then the game will be for everyone. Smile

What if I want to be belligerent and undesirable in my sandbox?

You are belligerent and undesirable in our sandbox.

I've certainly never pegged you for desirable and unbelligerent.

Is that you Otard?

Dual Pane idea: Click!

CCP Please Implement
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#108 - 2012-10-27 01:57:36 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Nexus Day wrote:
In a certain PvP focused MMO the vocal minority dominated the forums stating they were not getting enough rewards for their actions. Their gripe was that the larger population, the blob, received the rewards even though a minority did all the fighting.

The developers listened to this mnority, which I was one of, and shifted the rewards more towards those willing to take risk.

Almost two years later the population is 1/20th of its previous levels from 2 years ago and the game continues its death shuffle. Now the forums reminisce of how wonderful the game was when it had population and battlefields filled with hundreds instead of dozens.

But hey, carry on. I think CCP can tolerate your whining more than they can tolerate a change in their bank accounts.

Counterpoint: Trammel.


Do we have to go there? The only thing positive that expansion added was housing space.

But we already have the captain's quarters.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Max Doobie
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#109 - 2012-10-27 02:05:49 UTC
Howz about everyone just....STFU and let others do what they want?

How about that?

How about we all just mind our goddamned business and play the game?

DOOBAY!!!
Smiknight
Smiknight Corporation
#110 - 2012-10-27 02:16:21 UTC
All I've heard is that every activity in Eve is PvP.

I think we can agree that PvP is a form of competition.

So the argument that anyone is trying to remove competition from the game is null and void, because the game is one built completely of competition.

So yes, many of you are cheering on the nerfing of competition.
A reward devoid of risk is no reward at all, but is instead a handout.
Keeshala Catari
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#111 - 2012-10-27 05:07:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Keeshala Catari
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Sarmea Moon wrote:


Now, what risk do bumpers take? Oh right, nothing, absolutely no risk of anything right now. They don't even get flagged for it like can flippers. Yeah, real risky that.


Bumping is both a labour of love and an educational program, the bumpers are there to protect the interests of everybody in hisec from the hordes of AFKers and bots that currently populate Ice belts. The bumpers are using a game mechanic to educate about the dangers of both AFK and bot aspirant gameplay.

If you're going to mine Ice, don't bot, be at your keyboard and paying attention to your surroundings, pay the small annual fee for a permit to the New Order and be free to mine without the risk of being bumped by the New Orders agents. As long as you're physically present at your keyboard, paying attention and have a permit the New Order are happy to let you continue with your chosen activity without interference.

Anyone who bumps my miner is going to get a nasty surprise. And I will NOT be paying James 315 a single isk so I can mine. I'm not a fan of extortion, bullying or psychotics. The only reason I mine is to get the materials to replace my pvp ships if I lose them.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#112 - 2012-10-27 05:19:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Keeshala Catari wrote:

Anyone who bumps my miner is going to get a nasty surprise. And I will NOT be paying James 315 a single isk so I can mine. I'm not a fan of extortion, bullying or psychotics. The only reason I mine is to get the materials to replace my pvp ships if I lose them.


Pray tell how you're going to surprise a bumper?

We already get suicide ganked, petitioned and James has been wardecced multiple times, what new wrinkle do you have for our entertainment?

We work in hisec, we work within the mechanics of hisec and the restrictions of the EULA, you are more than welcome to do the same but the likelihood of surprising a bumper is next to nil, because we expect all of these things.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#113 - 2012-10-27 05:30:19 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Keeshala Catari wrote:
Anyone who bumps my miner is going to get a nasty surprise. And I will NOT be paying James 315 a single isk so I can mine. I'm not a fan of extortion, bullying or psychotics. The only reason I mine is to get the materials to replace my pvp ships if I lose them.

Pray tell how you're going to surprise a bumper?

We already get suicide ganked, petitioned and James has been wardecced multiple times, what new wrinkle do you have for our entertainment?

We work in hisec, we work within the mechanics of hisec and the restrictions of the EULA, you are more than welcome to do the same but the likelihood of surprising a bumper is next to nil, because we expect all of these things.

Bump them, tell us what happens please.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#114 - 2012-10-27 05:34:58 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:

Bump them, tell us what happens please.

Come join us, see the fun at first hand Pirate

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#115 - 2012-10-27 05:36:52 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:

Bump them, tell us what happens please.

Come join us, see the fun at first hand Pirate

Tell me where and I'll get a character over.

I only just started training a bumper, so it'll take a while to do it myself.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#116 - 2012-10-27 05:40:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Actually rereading that post, Keeshala Catari mines for materials to replace PvP losses ergo a rockhound, at present we're only targeting Ice miners so she won't be getting bumped anytime soon, unless we do it just to see the "surprise" she has in store for us.

Bit of a shame really, we're not working the Asteroid belts presently, but I'm sure there's plenty of salt water and hurt to be found in them.

@ Alavaria, we're based out of Tolle at the moment, it's convenient as there are 3 systems with ice in them in a nice little cluster, we're taking advantage of the mayhem your corpmates are inflicting in Gallente Ice Belts. I believe there may even be a little liaison between the interested parties.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Feyd's Survival Pack
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#117 - 2012-10-27 05:46:27 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Actually rereading that post, Keeshala Catari mines for materials to replace PvP losses ergo a rockhound, at present we're only targeting Ice miners so she won't be getting bumped anytime soon, unless we do it just to see the "surprise" she has in store for us.

Bit of a shame really, we're not working the Asteroid belts presently, but I'm sure there's plenty of salt water and hurt to be found in them.

@ Alavaria, we're based out of Tolle at the moment, it's convenient as there are 3 systems with ice in them in a nice little cluster, we're taking advantage of the mayhem your corpmates are inflicting in Gallente Ice Belts. I believe there may even be a little liaison between the interested parties.

Yeah, I know about it, but I'm not involved in that. Been sort of not playing too much recently.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#118 - 2012-10-27 05:59:17 UTC
All the more reason to try something new Big smile, I to get disillusioned sometimes, when it happens I try something new, last time it happened I went spelunking in Wormholes, good fun, no blobs, good fights, decent PvE and there's always a little frisson of danger present due to no blues, no local and no fixed entries and exits

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#119 - 2012-10-27 12:55:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Webvan
Thor Kerrigan wrote:
Why is it that people think this game is for everyone?

EVE is clearly fueled by competition and cannot survive without it.

Anyone who uses "forcing me to do this" in their argument intrigues me...

If you don't like shooting ships, that's your problem..

Agreed. Which is why I think it would be beneficial to make every character choose a faction. Just turn EVE into one big FW. Shoot at will all enemy factions while shooting your own faction creates higher taxes for you on territory markets as well as flags you temporarily as a free target for anyone. At the same time making smuggling an important profession for traders, still able to reasonably get to distant trading hubs through subterfuge.
I know, won't happen, but hey..

edit: including a pirate faction btw.

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Doc Severide
Doomheim
#120 - 2012-10-27 13:03:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Severide
No More Heroes wrote:
Belligerent undesirables get out

Wait I'm a belligerent undesirable but I'm having fun...


pussnheels wrote:
Thor Kerrigan wrote:
Why is it that people think this game is for everyone?

EVE is clearly fueled by competition and cannot survive without it. You don't need to spend 15$ per month to look at nebulae and 3D ship models.

Anyone who uses "forcing me to do this" in their argument intrigues me; I have no idea why they are spending money on this game in the first place. The only thing really forcing you to anything is your own brain. If you are tired of getting your progress slowed, it's nobody's fault but your own that you do not use the tools given to everyone.

If you don't like shooting ships, that's your problem. Just don't try telling me those who shoot ships have an unfair advantage when it is clearly an advantage. In fact, anything you do in this game gives you an advantage over those who don't.

That is just as crazy as people moving to a different country and asking for laws to accommodate their personal needs or beliefs.


Another they don t play my way i demand CCP nerf them

Hey are you a James 315 alt?


Ptraci wrote:
Azumi Zimu wrote:
"Progress" in this game to me is training skills. I can do that while not logged in at all.



Eh, I used to think that. Then I learned that successful PvP involves a little more than the right skills, fit, and F1,F2,F3 etc.

Ah, thats what I'm doing wrong. I guess I need to undock too, nobody told me this stuff...