EVE General Discussion

I don't give passes to pawns, even unwhitting ones.

And I take offense to anything that would imply that I ever beleived that most high seccers were smart enough to understand what's happening.

Some are smart enough to know that they're manipulating the many with their high sec propaganda about how we push our playstyel on them; understanding the entire time that it is high sec forcing their playstyle on us through absolute dominance of New Eddens economy.

You maintain a communist rule over industry in New Eden, and continually insist that CCP do things to increase your grip on the economy.

You've systematically employed your communist propaganda to neuter all means of fighting back against high secs control of New Edens economy.

Don't worry though, a revolution is coming, and you will lose it. WE, the truelly seasoned and veteran of a shackled economy will have teeth soon.

And I'm to stoned to understand that tiny block of text; hence a ranting retort.

Obviously only to me.

Everything I said stand.

So we pretty much all agree, High Sec needs to be nerfed.

I find this statement interesting. If anything you have just convinced me not to move out of high sec.

Your assumption is that I should want fewer industrialists around me to get higher prices. Well straight up everything I do make I earn at least a 30% profit margin on it. I have so many more items to expand into in my market, I have not even scratched the surface yet. I can stay very busy and profitable for years. Why would this be the case if your assumptions are accurate?

According to your belief with all these industrialists in high sec and the trader volume and the low risk to travel and the low risk to make stuff I should not have any market command at all for my goods. I should be just like you in null or worse.
But I am not. That indicates something is very wrong about your assumptions. And then your ideas to fix null are probably built upon bad assumptions as well. IE full of fail.

I think you should quit fighting the odds and move to high sec. Make stuff here and sell it in null. You have already identified that system works far better than the way you are trying to do it. So why fight it? Makes no sense to me. Unless you are in null for super cap construction. Then all this T1 stuff is a smoke screen.

P.S. One more thing that completely defies any logic. Why can I sell skill books at 500% markup just 5 jumps away from a NPC source? The entire route between is in high sec.

In a session with my Sensei recently, I burnt 3 joss sticks seeking truth in this statement.

I saw 40,000 white horses in a place called Deklein. I saw 40,000 miners turn to their nebulae and make utterances to the greatness of their greater God.

The greater God, that of the enemy you fear. Fueled by disgust at the whimsical attitude of those to the west, who hath discarded the greater good for gains of a personal nature.

I sensed also a missing space. An empty space. The test is upon you. And with this test comes the beast.

And I saw the loss of thousands as the beast launched, viciously, and devoured all.

Let him who hath understanding reckon the number of the beast.

Go in Peace
-oo-

PM for 80m Deklein week-pass.

I really didn't intend it to be taken seriously... I only put it in because while it is a valid and efficient security measure to preserve territory, it also kill most trade from happening. Even if CCP was to give perfect refine rate in null and more production lines, industry in null would still be limited because the market is small and people can make a run to high to buy for less if the price goes higher to recoup the lack of volume.

The volume of sale won't ever really go up because the market is limited to the allowed population. The required security measure does not allow for the market to grow much. Getting more isk per sales would work if null seccers were lazy and would rather spend more ISK than fly to Jita. Problem is, the lazy people are not null seccers. They all live in high where people can sell books at 500% price 5 jumps away from NPC source.

It all return to the same point. To make null industry worthwhile, you have to cripple high sec industry. CCP will have to take a guess on how many people would move or change job in EVE if it happened compared to how many would quit.

Actually, last I heard they were talking about making logistics harder, i.e. they had a hard-on for freighter convoys.

And the fact the manufacturing capacity in nullsec is pathetic is more telling than the introduction of JFs. A full, well-developed region has less capacity than a single system in hisec? Doesn't say much more "**** you nullsec" than that.

I guess we could give null more station with production lines and good refineries to start. That would let them mine thier mats a little bit more efficiently. You could remove the lines setup and hourly cost I guess since the sov holder technically own those lines now so he would not charge his member. Or have them be a % of the estimated value of mats required for the job and it can be set as a separate tax.

The problem is most null seccers understand the opportunity cost of mining so they don't sell under mats cost like some high seccers do. Null would have industry but would have a hard competing with these people already on the market. If thats what they want and don't care about not really being able to beat idiots on the market, then I guess we can give them that.

These are incredibly good ideas and benefit everyone except afk miners, gets my vote