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Redeem PLEX for Skillpoints.

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Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#21 - 2012-10-26 23:10:57 UTC
Devon Krah'tor wrote:
buy a toon at the bizarre
pay for skills with plex...

what exactly is the difference?

Damn. He's right. I HATE that!!!!

BURN char bazaar!

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Kehro Urgus
Dark Nebula Academy
O X I D E
#22 - 2012-10-26 23:13:34 UTC
This would work if they placed a limit on the medical clone you could have fixed to a character's natural skillpoint progression and a big flashing red sign over any character that bought skillpoints. Idea

Yeeee! 
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#23 - 2012-10-26 23:15:50 UTC
Devon Krah'tor wrote:
buy a toon at the bizarre
pay for skills with plex...

what exactly is the difference?


The difference is that someone has to invest time and money training a character to sell in the bazaar, whereas buying SP generates them from nothing. Eve is about the long game and patience should be trained to V before you begin playing.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Suo Pavlichenko
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2012-10-26 23:21:45 UTC
Patience is one thing, but how about enjoying the game and having fun.

For those of us that stuck around, congrats.

I've seen ALOT of new pilots start playing, then quit out when they find the game boring, or they feel like they don't have fun.

I'm simply putting an idea out there that will allow newbies, and vets the chance to continue to have 'fun'

On another note, anyone that would be gracious enough to pay CCP a couple thousand dollars in PLEX deserves to have all Skill level V. Afterall, the pilot is only hurting themselves. Sure they can fly a Deadspace pimped Avatar, but do they really have the skills/expierence to fly it? Or are they just going to fail drop it on some people, get popped, and quench any PvP pilots bloodthirst/wallet with those fancy mails?
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#25 - 2012-10-26 23:23:31 UTC
admiral root wrote:
Devon Krah'tor wrote:
buy a toon at the bizarre
pay for skills with plex...

what exactly is the difference?


The difference is that someone has to invest time and money training a character to sell in the bazaar, whereas buying SP generates them from nothing. Eve is about the long game and patience should be trained to V before you begin playing.

Thank God for that!

Reasoning.

BURN char bazzar? Belay that order.

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#26 - 2012-10-26 23:26:51 UTC
Talo Momoe
#27 - 2012-10-26 23:26:54 UTC
Suo Pavlichenko wrote:
On another note, anyone that would be gracious enough to pay CCP a couple thousand dollars in PLEX deserves to have all Skill level V. Afterall, the pilot is only hurting themselves. Sure they can fly a Deadspace pimped Avatar, but do they really have the skills/expierence to fly it? Or are they just going to fail drop it on some people, get popped, and quench any PvP pilots bloodthirst/wallet with those fancy mails?


No.

Your pay to win approach is why America is so messed up. People who aren't qualified to be in certain positions of power somehow manage to get places because they 'pay to win' resulting in a messed up economy.

The day that you can buy "End Game" with EVE is the day this game ends.

I'm currently for sale: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=170761
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#28 - 2012-10-26 23:39:20 UTC
Bernie Nator wrote:
This is a terrible idea. You'd have people stumbling about trying to figure out what to do next but because their skills are maxed they'll just make bad choices, get fed up and quit. .


Yet the Plex has already entered the economy so no loss to CCP.

Besides, they could in turn just sell the character. And therein lies the resistance. But if you don't understand let me translate.

"Someone just joining the game should not be able to de-value the efforts of someone who has been playing a long time."

Sidenote: What people fail to mention is SP =/= real skill. If a newbie has more SP than you it shouldn't matter unless you truly have no skill.
Herr Hammer Draken
#29 - 2012-10-26 23:44:25 UTC
Suo Pavlichenko wrote:
Patience is one thing, but how about enjoying the game and having fun.

For those of us that stuck around, congrats.

I've seen ALOT of new pilots start playing, then quit out when they find the game boring, or they feel like they don't have fun.

I'm simply putting an idea out there that will allow newbies, and vets the chance to continue to have 'fun'

On another note, anyone that would be gracious enough to pay CCP a couple thousand dollars in PLEX deserves to have all Skill level V. Afterall, the pilot is only hurting themselves. Sure they can fly a Deadspace pimped Avatar, but do they really have the skills/expierence to fly it? Or are they just going to fail drop it on some people, get popped, and quench any PvP pilots bloodthirst/wallet with those fancy mails?


No don't you get it NO!

Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet"
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#30 - 2012-10-26 23:48:00 UTC
svenska flicka wrote:
go play an ftp, pay to win game instead, I hear they are awesome (not...)


You wanna tell me how you play FTP (File Transfer Protocol)?

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.
Cpt Matis
Federal Commercial Office
#31 - 2012-10-26 23:57:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Cpt Matis
Why we can't buy stations too? LMAO

There is no need to add anything more than all the others above.

Buy to win isn't acceptable to the majority in those who choose to play EVE.
ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#32 - 2012-10-27 00:18:43 UTC
Moved from General Discussion.

[b]ISD Suvetar Captain/Commando Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department[/b]
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#33 - 2012-10-27 00:22:22 UTC
Cpt Matis wrote:
Why we can't buy stations too? LMAO


I'm not going to tell you why you are dumb. I'll let you guess.

At any rate this would be a terrible idea. If I went into full on isk making mode I could easily crank out 1-2 plexes a day from just PVE. If I started actively showing interest in market shenanigans I could probably clear 10-20 a day.

The cost of a plex is virtually nothing even right now when it's been seeing record highs.
Jezs
This is not the corporation you are looking for
#34 - 2012-10-27 00:41:12 UTC
Please implement this so there are even more retards flying around in expensive ships.
Furry Commander
Furry Armada
#35 - 2012-10-27 03:18:34 UTC
I really tried to think of a way this would be good, but it wouldnt. ever. nobody who plays via buying plex with isk would play anymore. all the plex would hike up in price by god knows how much. the only thins SP related a plex should do is offer remaps
Arcosian
Arcosian Heavy Industries Corp Holding
#36 - 2012-10-27 04:49:03 UTC
Furry Commander wrote:
I really tried to think of a way this would be good, but it wouldnt. ever. nobody who plays via buying plex with isk would play anymore. all the plex would hike up in price by god knows how much. the only thins SP related a plex should do is offer remaps

I would be ok with PLEX for remaps but only if there was a per year limit imposed, like 2. That would mean you could remap 3 times per year.

As for PLEX for SP no...just plain no. Eve teaches us all patience which some people desperately need to learn. Not to mention people would quickly lose interest after they have maxed out their SP and have nothing to keep playing for. Society seems to have gotten this idea that "If I'm rich I deserve to win now" attitude and nobody wants to work hard for anything. They just want to throw money at it and win.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#37 - 2012-10-27 05:09:04 UTC
Not then. Not now. Not ever.

inb4 Tippa.

How did you Veterans start?
Gerrick Palivorn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#38 - 2012-10-27 05:32:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Gerrick Palivorn
Real accomplishment is substantiated from hard work, patience, and understanding. Looking to buy your way into elitism is the wrong way to approach any issue. True understanding comes from experience, and that is not given in the form of SP, it is earned by doing things and making mistakes. That is why the vets can beat a newer player in a inferior ship, your right that it really has nothing to do with SP, but it has everything to do with respect.

Respect your experience, and respect the experience of the people who came before you. The way things are now has amazingly enjoyed almost continual player growth in the games 10 year history; no other game can claim this. If PLEX for SP was introduced you will see the majority of players unsub from the game.

As Sifu says, Sacrifice defines value.

One statistic that amazed me when I heard it; if you play eve for 6 months (?) you are very unlikely to unsub for a long period of time. Why do you think that is?

(Yes I'm having a philosophical moment, trolling will continue after this post)

MMOs come and go, but Eve remains.  -Garresh-
Obsidiana
Atrament Inc.
#39 - 2012-10-27 18:11:04 UTC
1. Every character takes time to train, even in the Bazaar.
2. That training takes work, planning, tradeoffs, and timing.
3. The no-grind, off-line training system is awesome as is.

Every game has levels. In EVE, there is no grinding EP; you can level while logged out. You also can't max out your character. CCP adds skills before that can happen. You can optimize your training, train faster with implants, and new players can even use a booster on top of implants for 35 days.

But no, that isn't good enough. You want instant training. That's one step closer to taking skills out of the game (for the rich it is the same). Wouldn't that be fun? Everyone would have everything to 5; everyone would be the same. Sorry, not for me.

4. It would homogenize the game, making it (more?) boring. (EP99 syndrome)

Btw, why play long term? Why keep a subscription active for years? If you can insta-train, you don't need to. You can take a few months or years off. Heck, just sign up around the major expansions, get the skills related to max, fly for a month, get bored, and do something else.

5. This is a bad long term business model for CCP.

And new players, oh this would be universally great for them... except for massively increasing the upfront cost of the game. But hey, most players can sink that much cash into a new game, right? They would have some PLEX left over to sell to afford a BS on the first day and replace it the second. They would have the skills to fly it, so let them, right?

6. Adds to the upfront cost of joining the game.




And this goes w/o saying. Hope you plan on spending real money for that PLEX.

7. PLEX prices would go through the roof and I would spend every last ISK I had to buy them.
Recoil IV
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#40 - 2012-10-27 18:13:31 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Do we really have to explain once again why this is an utterly terrible idea?


its a good ideea,but yet such a terrible ideea for playeri paying with plex.
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