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Dec Shield - Ruining Highsec Research Forever

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Evei Shard
Shard Industries
#41 - 2012-10-26 20:56:44 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
Evei Shard wrote:
I'll bet Scientific Networking is going to be selling nicely if this stunt is allowed to persist.



Won't help if there are no slots anywhere but in your POS.


Yeah. That's kinda the point.

Profit favors the prepared
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#42 - 2012-10-26 21:03:13 UTC
Er yes, it's other use. I forgot.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#43 - 2012-10-26 21:59:46 UTC
Relax folks, this griefing tactic will never take hold, for several reasons:

1. It would require a massive, co-ordinated effort to jam up all high sec slots.
2. Some of these station slots are not cheap. To jam up one slot at 1000 ISK/hour for one year is 8.76 Million. That is chump change, but when you suddenly have 10 copy slots, and 10 ME slots in a station, then we are starting to talk serious coin.
3. It would require patience, since it takes time repeat this tactic ad nauseam.

Plus, as someone already pointed out, the null sec alliances NEED these slots, so it is highly unlikely they would get involved, so this stupid grief will die on the vine.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#44 - 2012-10-26 22:12:18 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Relax folks, this griefing tactic will never take hold, for several reasons:

1. It would require a massive, co-ordinated effort to jam up all high sec slots.
2. Some of these station slots are not cheap. To jam up one slot at 1000 ISK/hour for one year is 8.76 Million. That is chump change, but when you suddenly have 10 copy slots, and 10 ME slots in a station, then we are starting to talk serious coin.
3. It would require patience, since it takes time repeat this tactic ad nauseam.

Plus, as someone already pointed out, the null sec alliances NEED these slots, so it is highly unlikely they would get involved, so this stupid grief will die on the vine.


1. Correct.
2. Totally unnecessary. You can do some serious damage by clogging one for a mere six months.
3. Depends on how many people are doing it.

And no, we don't need those slots - anything of importance can be done with a hisec research POS run from an unaffiliated alt corp.

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Ager Agemo
Rainbow Ponies Incorporated
#45 - 2012-10-26 22:18:43 UTC
Andski wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Relax folks, this griefing tactic will never take hold, for several reasons:

1. It would require a massive, co-ordinated effort to jam up all high sec slots.
2. Some of these station slots are not cheap. To jam up one slot at 1000 ISK/hour for one year is 8.76 Million. That is chump change, but when you suddenly have 10 copy slots, and 10 ME slots in a station, then we are starting to talk serious coin.
3. It would require patience, since it takes time repeat this tactic ad nauseam.

Plus, as someone already pointed out, the null sec alliances NEED these slots, so it is highly unlikely they would get involved, so this stupid grief will die on the vine.


1. Correct.
2. Totally unnecessary. You can do some serious damage by clogging one for a mere six months.
3. Depends on how many people are doing it.

And no, we don't need those slots - anything of importance can be done with a hisec research POS run from an unaffiliated alt corp.



i would love if someone did this XD goonswarm should do it, got the manpower and resources to sink into ******* up Research!
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#46 - 2012-10-26 23:07:08 UTC
The Zerg Overmind wrote:
KrakizBad wrote:
Christy D Floyd wrote:
Oh wait here is an idea........Anchor your own POS in highsec including labs thus Research untill your little carebear heart is content. I am guessing the OP didnt think about that.


-1

No, he absolutely did. This destroys the 100% invulnerable researching from NPC stations. It's a fabulous find. POS holders are deccable.

+1

And if they're decced... it's almost as if there's an alliance out there that specializes in that kind of highsec war thing...

Keep it up, DEC SHIELD !!

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Evei Shard
Shard Industries
#47 - 2012-10-26 23:09:27 UTC
It would cause a lot of trouble, but even so, it would be quite interesting to see the outcome of this sort of thing.

Though I would caution those looking to do this to consider what action CCP might take to solve this issue. They could very well go and do something that would result in things being even easier for the people you are trying to cause problems for. Just a thought.

Profit favors the prepared
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#48 - 2012-10-26 23:11:26 UTC
All CCP will do is increase slots in player owned stations...















Ah hell, who am I kidding.
Devon Krah'tor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2012-10-26 23:12:33 UTC
well done OP, well done.

anything that makes hisec less profitable, less convenient is good.
CCP is already handling more safe, as it should be.
Greater.Insight.Skill.Knowledge
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#50 - 2012-10-26 23:15:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Touval Lysander
Andski wrote:

And no, we don't need those slots - anything of importance can be done with a SAFE hisec research POS run from an CAN'T TOUCH THIS unaffiliated alt corp.

NO.

0.0 using highsec to do indy??!!??!

Nerf highsec!!!


(also, fixed your post)

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#51 - 2012-10-27 01:59:26 UTC
Evei Shard wrote:
It would cause a lot of trouble, but even so, it would be quite interesting to see the outcome of this sort of thing.

Though I would caution those looking to do this to consider what action CCP might take to solve this issue. They could very well go and do something that would result in things being even easier for the people you are trying to cause problems for. Just a thought.


Evei Shard wrote:
do something that would result in things being even easier for

Opps, what a "mistake". Hahaha,

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CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
#52 - 2012-10-27 02:15:23 UTC
Moved from EVE General Discussion.

CCP Phantom - Senior Community Developer
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
#53 - 2012-10-27 02:25:01 UTC
CCP Phantom wrote:
Moved from EVE General Discussion.

Shouldn't this be Crime and Punishment if anything?

Burn Highsec Griefers
flakeys
Doomheim
#54 - 2012-10-27 10:12:01 UTC
Well gotta say once again a nice find there Zerg .

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Kaivar Lancer
Doomheim
#55 - 2012-10-27 17:15:36 UTC
Looks like a job for the goons. Well done OP.
Kusum Fawn
Perkone
Caldari State
#56 - 2012-10-27 19:04:15 UTC
Im not sure what the goal here is, what is is that you want CCP to do exactly?
The current system of research slots not freeing up when a job is done was put in place to discourage the use of "place holder bpo research" where a npc job slot would be advertised as rentable by a player, and a time set up where the current researcher would cancel his job and the new "renter" would start theirs when the slot came open. this was seen as bad by CCP and thus they changed it so that slots did not come open again when the job was cancelled.

Queuing up ten years pf research on every research slot doesnt make much sense to me as there are hundreds of open moons in systems with open corp office slots, sure those towers are vulnerable, but they dont offer any real reason to be killed, the bpos are still safe in station, and all you would conceivably lose is the tower itself. operation of small towers in hisec are cheap easy and annoying to kill. grinding pos is never fun i don't understand the point of this.

also there are large alliances that provide research already for a fee or free. are you decing those guys already?

Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#57 - 2012-10-28 00:12:17 UTC
Christy D Floyd wrote:
Oh wait here is an idea........Anchor your own POS in highsec including labs thus Research untill your little carebear heart is content. I am guessing the OP didnt think about that.


-1



This 'technique' has probably been going on for quite awhile.

Does the OP even think he is the first EVE Player in a DECADE to think of this ?

Every Industrialist worth their salt, and worth the game of EVE, already has a Research capable POS.

This will just uselessly force a Patch and New Rules. Sigh. It never ends with these 'guys'.

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Stug Oldhammer
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2012-10-28 15:14:36 UTC
Gathered a good bunch of guys and was having some fun getting organised. I-Friends comes looking for easy kills and attacks our Alliance. The Alliance has them pretty much pinned already but im a little more viscious.

T2 Assault Ships against 1 week old Indy players? Wow, tough guys. Zerg says hi and I start to smile :)

Joining imminently.

o7 Zerg
Alexandra Lingwa
CALIMA COLLABORATIVE
Atrox Urbanis Respublique Abundatia
#59 - 2012-10-28 15:34:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Alexandra Lingwa
Well considering I already do my research at a POS in highsec, I give it my support Lol. Have at it hoss, though like others have said you might be spending significant isk and setting yourself up for click fest of doom. Too me that sounds more like un-needed torture rather than griefing lol

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Litla Sundlaugin
#60 - 2012-10-28 22:08:14 UTC
I just pay others to research at their POS'es for me but yeah, it's too bad research at NPC stations can't be limited to less then 7 days so that access maybe available sooner then 2 or 3 months.