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Dec Shield - Ruining Highsec Research Forever

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Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#21 - 2012-10-26 18:52:03 UTC
Got some research spots left over.
Cheap!
Christy D Floyd
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2012-10-26 18:52:45 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
Christy D Floyd wrote:
Oh wait here is an idea........Anchor your own POS in highsec including labs thus Research untill your little carebear heart is content. I am guessing the OP didnt think about that.


-1

No, he absolutely did. This destroys the 100% invulnerable researching from NPC stations. It's a fabulous find. POS holders are deccable.

+1



Then POS holders hire a wardec corp. to inherit the dec I will refer you to C&P forum I believe they are free.

Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons.
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#23 - 2012-10-26 19:02:59 UTC
bbb2020 wrote:
Souisa wrote:
How much does it cost?

67,500,000,000.00 ISK for a Avatar Blueprint. Don't think many will be able to follow.

I don't do research so I don't realy care about this idea but I can't help being amazes about the time people use to come up with idears, just to ruin it for others.
What is the motivation?
Why not just enjoying the game, like the rest of us?


I believe the motivation is to highlight and force CCP to fix broken/bad game mechanics. History has shown, that CCP is happy to ignore even serious issues until the abuse causes significant issues for the health of the game. To get issues acted on by CCP and get the fixes fastracked in to the game, you need to abuse it to the point of ruining legit gameplay for a large enough group of players.
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#24 - 2012-10-26 19:04:38 UTC
this my firend is called exploiting a bug. inb4 fix in next patch

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
#25 - 2012-10-26 19:08:56 UTC
Bienator II wrote:
this my firend is called exploiting a bug. inb4 fix in next patch


you must be new here
bbb2020
Carebears with Attitude
#26 - 2012-10-26 19:15:12 UTC  |  Edited by: bbb2020
Destination SkillQueue wrote:


I believe the motivation is to highlight and force CCP to fix broken/bad game mechanics. History has shown, that CCP is happy to ignore even serious issues until the abuse causes significant issues for the health of the game. To get issues acted on by CCP and get the fixes fastracked in to the game, you need to abuse it to the point of ruining legit gameplay for a large enough group of players.


As i said, I don't do research so please enlightening me - What is it that is broke with the research mechanics? So broke that the only way to fix it, is to overuse the same mechanics. Is it that it can be used in highsec maybe? That it don't involve pvp? What?
John Ratcliffe
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#27 - 2012-10-26 19:16:05 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Falcon
Personal attack removed - CCP Falcon

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2012-10-26 19:22:22 UTC
bbb2020 wrote:
Destination SkillQueue wrote:


I believe the motivation is to highlight and force CCP to fix broken/bad game mechanics. History has shown, that CCP is happy to ignore even serious issues until the abuse causes significant issues for the health of the game. To get issues acted on by CCP and get the fixes fastracked in to the game, you need to abuse it to the point of ruining legit gameplay for a large enough group of players.


As i said, I don't do research so please enlightening me - What is it that is broke with the research mechanics? So broke that the only way to fix it, is to overuse the same mechanics. Is it that it can be used in highsec maybe? That it don't involve pvp? What?


The problem is that cancelling a research job does not free up the research slot that was being used until (and this is the important part) the job would have completed normally.

So if I queue up 10 year of research and then cancel all those jobs, the slots still act as if they're doing something. This is called a bug (or ****** design, take your pick), and it's been that way at least as long as I have been playing the game, and probably longer.

What ZO and his associates are doing is simply forcing CCP to recognize, acknowledge. and fix the broken mechanics in their game that they have been unwilling, or just too lazy, to fix in the past.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Riyal
invidious Squid
#29 - 2012-10-26 19:38:38 UTC
Isn't it handled this way because of the long since replaced slot rental system of olde?

Will definitely give this a go :)

In hindsight my post should have had more psssshhhh
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2012-10-26 19:43:43 UTC
Riyal wrote:
Isn't it handled this way because of the long since replaced slot rental system of olde?

Will definitely give this a go :)


Could be, I dunno. That old system predates me.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
EvEa Deva
Doomheim
#31 - 2012-10-26 19:44:15 UTC
Sounds pretty lame OP
bbb2020
Carebears with Attitude
#32 - 2012-10-26 19:48:09 UTC  |  Edited by: bbb2020
De'Veldrin wrote:

The problem is that cancelling a research job does not free up the research slot that was being used until (and this is the important part) the job would have completed normally.

So if I queue up 10 year of research and then cancel all those jobs, the slots still act as if they're doing something. This is called a bug (or ****** design, take your pick), and it's been that way at least as long as I have been playing the game, and probably longer.

What ZO and his associates are doing is simply forcing CCP to recognize, acknowledge. and fix the broken mechanics in their game that they have been unwilling, or just too lazy, to fix in the past.

Thank you for that explanation. I can see that could be a problem and fall under the therm of a bug.

I not sure though that that is what the OP is trying to fix. Maybe it is his wording.
-----//-----
Today we're announcing a campaign to destroy safe research throughout the game.
If you're tired of highsec bears skating through Eve with no risk then join us in this glorious campaign!
FOR THE TEARS!
-----//-----
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2012-10-26 19:54:30 UTC
bbb2020 wrote:
De'Veldrin wrote:

The problem is that cancelling a research job does not free up the research slot that was being used until (and this is the important part) the job would have completed normally.

So if I queue up 10 year of research and then cancel all those jobs, the slots still act as if they're doing something. This is called a bug (or ****** design, take your pick), and it's been that way at least as long as I have been playing the game, and probably longer.

What ZO and his associates are doing is simply forcing CCP to recognize, acknowledge. and fix the broken mechanics in their game that they have been unwilling, or just too lazy, to fix in the past.

Thank you for that explanation. I can see that could be a problem and fall under the therm of a bug.

I not sure though that that is what the OP is trying to fix. Maybe it is his wording.
-----//-----
Today we're announcing a campaign to destroy safe research throughout the game.
If you're tired of highsec bears skating through Eve with no risk then join us in this glorious campaign!
FOR THE TEARS!
-----//-----



Well, you know. With a name like Zerg Overmind, he's allowed to be a little over the top, right? Cool

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#34 - 2012-10-26 19:54:47 UTC
bbb2020 wrote:
De'Veldrin wrote:

The problem is that cancelling a research job does not free up the research slot that was being used until (and this is the important part) the job would have completed normally.

So if I queue up 10 year of research and then cancel all those jobs, the slots still act as if they're doing something. This is called a bug (or ****** design, take your pick), and it's been that way at least as long as I have been playing the game, and probably longer.

What ZO and his associates are doing is simply forcing CCP to recognize, acknowledge. and fix the broken mechanics in their game that they have been unwilling, or just too lazy, to fix in the past.

Thank you for that explanation. I can see that could be a problem and fall under the therm of a bug.

I not sure though that that is what the OP is trying to fix. Maybe it is his wording.
-----//-----
Today we're announcing a campaign to destroy safe research throughout the game.
If you're tired of highsec bears skating through Eve with no risk then join us in this glorious campaign!
FOR THE TEARS!
-----//-----

Actually, but doing this people would be forced to research in POS's.

POS's can be blown up during a war dec, so he believes this will encourage more war decs.

He represents a dec shield corp, which would see even more use if this were indeed the case.

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De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2012-10-26 19:58:28 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:

Actually, but doing this people would be forced to research in POS's.

POS's can be blown up during a war dec, so he believes this will encourage more war decs.

He represents a dec shield corp, which would see even more use if this were indeed the case.


Which draws more attention to the other broken-ass mechanic he is currently championing for fixes to. Experience has shown that CCP only pays close attention when the playerbase as a whole stands and says "WHAT THE **** WERE YOU THINKING?"

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#36 - 2012-10-26 20:05:57 UTC
Toshiroma McDiesel wrote:
I thought most High Sec station research slots were already used up for the next 10 years Lol

You can research at a station??!

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#37 - 2012-10-26 20:08:51 UTC
The Zerg Overmind wrote:

If you're tired of highsec bears skating through Eve with no risk then join us in this glorious campaign!

Sort of get the feeling a lot of 0.0 peeps won't be happy about this. Blink

meh. Never Haven't been able to use a station slot yet - in 3 years.

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#38 - 2012-10-26 20:15:32 UTC
Destination SkillQueue wrote:

I believe the motivation is to highlight and force CCP to fix broken/bad game mechanics. History has shown, that CCP is happy to ignore even serious issues until the abuse causes significant issues for the health of the game. To get issues acted on by CCP and get the fixes fastracked in to the game, you need to abuse it to the point of ruining legit gameplay for a large enough group of players.

If it hasn't been a problem and they make it a problem so it get's fixed is sorta, you know, dumb.

My guess is he probably runs a Gallente POS, can't afford the fuel, went to use slot for his own SAFE RESEARCH, couldn't find one and voila.....

Emergent game play?

Wonders will never cease.

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Evei Shard
Shard Industries
#39 - 2012-10-26 20:27:28 UTC
I'll bet Scientific Networking is going to be selling nicely if this stunt is allowed to persist.


Profit favors the prepared
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#40 - 2012-10-26 20:50:52 UTC
Evei Shard wrote:
I'll bet Scientific Networking is going to be selling nicely if this stunt is allowed to persist.



Won't help if there are no slots anywhere but in your POS.