Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Missiles and turrets takes about the same time when you train for one weapon system. Drones take about the same time too. There is drones on ships of all races, and there is missiles on ships of all races. That cannot be said of turrets.

You *decided* to skill for only one weapon system whereas your race of choice had two weapon systems, but you could do it (and don't talk about drones, caldari use drones as much as gallente use missiles : almost not ; drone 5 and your done unless you fly hybrid ships).

Gallantean pilot *have to* train for BOTH drones AND hybrids. Minmatar train for projectiles, missiles, drones, armor tank and shield tank. Haven't you been lucky ? Time to close the gap with the other races.

You *choose* to use an advantage of your race : specialize in missiles, knowing that, in your mind, there was only one useful weapon in this tree (in your mind, because it's wrong in facts).

Now, with your skillset, you will have not one weapon system, but five (I exclude CM, because of the Raven), though none of them will suit your personal preferances. And that would be CCP's fault ?

How would CCP be responsible for your choices ? CCP don't design the game for *you*.

Let's face it : only screwed pilots will be those who only use the HML drakes and tengu for pve purpose. All the others will have hopefuly working HAM, Torp, LM and rockets on top of working HML (yes, they will still work, they will only not be a short range weapon as well as a long range one anymore).

Why would you want a refund on missiles otherwise ?

You'll notice that using any T1, faction or precision missile the range nerf is more moderate. The plan converts furies into shorter range missiles with a larger damage bonus compared to their T1 variants.

That is plain wrong. There wouldn't be fleets of drakes if missiles didn't worked. There wouldn't be shitload of hookbills if missiles didn't worked.

I can be childish too.

Ok, here's Grath http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=53846, and here's Cazador 64 . . well I can't find any pvp record on you. Also, Grath started eve in March of 2007. Cazador 64 started eve January of 2010. I don't know, but I would bet, Grath has more sp in missile support and spec skills than you have in gunnery support skills (of course not counting wu and awu) and specs, irrespective of pve v pvp activity in game.

Minmatar uses missile skills. And will be using them even more as rebalancing progresses. But I suppose you are only following this thread, just as you only train missile skills. Grath pointed out how your lack of diversifying you sp has and will continue to hurt you. It's like investing, you can put all you money in one stock . . .

There is a whole game here. You chose one path. The devs are responsible, paid, for trying to balance all paths. Have a tinfoil hat if you really think they for some reason care more for a mythical race of tribal quasi-criminal rebel ducttape users, and people who choose to play those, and hate a mythical race of corprate neo-fascist communal missile chuckers and the people that choose to play those characters. Of course maybe they secretly care more for a mythical race of slave-owning intolerant religious laser bumm warmers.

Anyway, I guess part of your desire in playing this game is to feel persecuted by adopting a narrow identity here. Have fun with that. Just don't expect the rest of us to validate or support you in that quest. This is a ******* god aweful long thread filled with a multitude of posts from people that have their primary identity (so many that choose this sole race identity seem to be Caldari, don't know why it attracts such types) now subject to rebalance. Meanwhile I could probably count on all my digits the number of Hurricane direct and quite possibly overly harsh nerf complaint posts.

You are not going to get any sp "refunded." You are not going to whine your way into cancelling this rebalance. You, along with everyone else in the game that gets on the test server, may come up with data as to how these changes might negatively impact the game as a whole. But I would bet that could be easier demonstrated regarding the Cane nerf. The game does not revolve around your heretofore op'd and/or overused drake and tengu HML boats. And if you want specifics go back to page one of this thread and read all the way to this page.

You know, there is specific skills for turrets too, for T2, the difference here is that you need the smaller ones to have the larger ones.

Anyway, in real EVE, training times for turrets and missiles are about the same.

Thats obvious, thanks.

Turrets can't be smartbombed or destroyed with defenders.
Also turrets do instant damage, while missiles have to fly to target first to apply damage.
basically missiles can be turned off if enemy wants it.

at this point people are just bitching /complaining, the current state of the changes are sound, HAMs and close range missiles become more useful while only fury missiles and HMs in general get any worse.

I'm a caldari pilot since starting eve, however I dont NEED heavies to function, in fact, i have preferred HAMs since I started PvP because they have way enough range on most boats anyways. (maybe not the drake, however)

yep. and they never will work on missiles ..