Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Yes, this game has a vast array of choices and skill paths, you have chosen one specific path and ONLY trained that path (hinting that it MIGHT actually be broken, otherwise you'd have trained some of the gunnery skills since Caldari have some gunnery boats too). Now that you've found out you're stuck because you didn't diversify you're angry.




Yes, you had the choice to train things other than Missile skills, you've decided not to do that, now you're having to deal with the consequences of your actions.




Right, and theres a whole host of missile support skills that help you go from one missile type to another that people who didn't train missile skills would have to go through if the nerf fell in the other direction. Its jinfinitely easier to go from one missile type to another than it is from one gun type to another.




They've never done this and they shouldn't ever do it. Eve is about choices, you made some, now there are consequences to those choices, suck it up and take the 2 months and train gunnery skills, only do yourself a favor, train ALL of them so you don't get stuck behind another nerf, diversify your skill porfolio to the point that you effectively become nerf proof, and then you won't have to make such poor arguments next time.

Duality is online for you guys to test the 2.0 version of the changes. Go check them out!

You seem to miss a missile pilot needs more skills for his systems than a gunnery pilot does .. I would gladly change the shape of my missile skilltree to the one which guns have.

And there is one missile system, and three gunnery systems, which you maybe did not see yet.

I. Don't. Use. EFT.

I use better programs for my skill plans and other stuff.

Why? Mostly because EFT calculates missile range incorrectly.

There are 5 gunnery support skills IF you don't count WU and AWU since they're universal and 6 missile support skills, one skill makes it impossible? I mean its not even a long skill that makes the difference, its a simple 9 day train. Stop acting like missile pilots spent tons of extra hours training skills, its simply a myth, and in actuality if you were smart and a good calari pilot you'd have long ago trained Hybrids, which have done really well since the buff.

You didn't, now you pay the price for pigeon holing yourself.

Also theres Rockets, Light missiles, HAMS, Heavies, Torps, Cruise, and FOF's, so I count more than 1 missile system, maybe you ddin't see it yet or maybe you just trained heavies and ignored the rest because Heavies are the most broken and theres no reason to train any other missile system. Maybe by bringing them back in line you'll see a few other missile types, epsecially with the missile support skill changes.

I've tested out tengu.

Currently on TQ:

690 dps (All level 5 skills, missiles and subs)
113 km range (All level 5 skills, missiles and subs)

Currently on Duality:

654 dps (All level 5 skills, missiles and subs)
46km range (All level 5 skills, missiles and subs)


That takes tengu to super garbage ship.
I personally will not use it anymore or any of missile ships.

More than 50% less range ? really ?

And apply them to what ships? CNR / SNI for large lol yeah because those have been the goto ships and known for how well they handle them selves.
Also everyone knows Caldari doesn't not have the better option for torp boats so you lose there.
All of our HACS are a joke.

The funny thing is you are pretty much admitting missiles are worthless but you don't even see it.
There is no reason missiles should not be as viable as any other weapon system out there.
By you saying that cross training is needed you are making my case for me.
You don't see Minm and projectiles having to cross train just so they are not worthless.

I was going to say some more but you are clearly either a troll or just to dense to understand how imbalanced gunnery is over missiles so it's not worth anymore of my time.

Want to try that Cane of yours against level 5 Harbinger at 20 km? I would be ready bet 200 million isk that Harbinger beats Cane at that range hands down.

ok first off missles sucked before the nerf lol. only good thing was ability to kite mobs out kill them at range . now with the inability to kill frigs, and reduced range solo missioning in missle boats will be next to imposibble. and as far as caldari pilots effecting ccp buffing nerfing thats a laugh, look at caldari pvp capable ships rofl. more like PL cried to there boy in ccp because of long range hml blob and out came the bat.

Its pretty simple and easy to understand. If you have trained down gunnery and never trained missiles and you still have many viable options. How ever if you have trained missiles and not gunnery you have pigeon holed your self and should be punished for not training guns. Yah that's pure balance and everything is working as intended.